Rev Match?
#42
Melting Slicks
If you want to see the art of heel to toe by the best driver who ever drove a race car IMO, Ayrton Senna here, enjoy! And he drove that car to the absolute limit!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
#43
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Anyone here drive the Cobalt SS with the 'no lift shift'. Perhaps the programming is in the same vein. As far as track work, I find the fact that the clutch has a dual mass flywheel yet less inertial momentum very interesting. That will be useful and welcomed for H/T (or brake/blip) quickness. I am curious as to how the rev matching will work while negotiating a carousel on the edge and trying to upshift at the rpm limit with so much gear confusion. Perhaps the tranny has solenoids that work in conjunction with the rev matching programming to refuse accidental downshift that results in an over rev condition and, thusly, allows one to remain on the pavement.
#44
Can anyone confirm what the default setting on this is?
I personally admit my shifting shortcomings.. I am actually very sweet in my own mind.... But I also think I have a full head of hair and a six pack.
Perhaps it's default is always off, unless selected.
I would bet ALL driver preferences will be keyed to their fob.
So as soon as you sit in it, seat position, steering wheel, DIC setting, radio favorites, exhaust sound, ride setting, engine sound, rev match off will all default to exactly what you want.
If this car truly does this ...... Wow!
I personally admit my shifting shortcomings.. I am actually very sweet in my own mind.... But I also think I have a full head of hair and a six pack.
Perhaps it's default is always off, unless selected.
I would bet ALL driver preferences will be keyed to their fob.
So as soon as you sit in it, seat position, steering wheel, DIC setting, radio favorites, exhaust sound, ride setting, engine sound, rev match off will all default to exactly what you want.
If this car truly does this ...... Wow!
#45
Anyone here drive the Cobalt SS with the 'no lift shift'. Perhaps the programming is in the same vein. As far as track work, I find the fact that the clutch has a dual mass flywheel yet less inertial momentum very interesting. That will be useful and welcomed for H/T (or brake/blip) quickness. I am curious as to how the rev matching will work while negotiating a carousel on the edge and trying to upshift at the rpm limit with so much gear confusion. Perhaps the tranny has solenoids that work in conjunction with the rev matching programming to refuse accidental downshift that results in an over rev condition and, thusly, allows one to remain on the pavement.
I asked the same thing earlier however, i'm not sure if any of the corvette guys are familiar with the feature. I actually owned a Cobalt SS/TC and that thing was a blast to drive. NLS helped me pull a few cars that were way outside of my class. I really hope we will be able to do this in the new corvette. From my understanding, the NLS feature rev matched you into the next gear, and prevented the loss of boost. Sometimes I miss that car, then I start up my corvette and remember why i upgraded
#48
Hey guys please don't forget that this thing flip flops from V8 to V4, you have exhaust opening and closing, and cam sliding a few deg, all of this adds up to a car that has different personalities. You will need many many hours to get a good feel for all the new tech. I think rev matching will be nice in v4 mode when the exhaust valves are closed and you can't hear the motor and GREAT for the big breaking turn when you drop down two gears like for 4th to 2nd. You can still blip the gas and down shift, just the blip will rev match every time. I personaly have a hard time heal towing down two gears 4th to 2nd. I welcome the rev match.
Last edited by CitationZ06@yahoo; 01-17-2013 at 01:05 PM.
#50
I'm not arguing whether or not it should be on the car, I'm arguing that it should be either off by default or be permanently defeatable via the preferences or at the very least via the key fob or driver select ****..
#53
Drifting
But I gather you have accepted the idea of the fully sychronized gear shifter and transmission? Sure made it easier. Maybe your grandfather would have had the same reaction. Let me get this straight....My choice is to either keep atempting to heel toe shift and risk damage or watch computers race cars around the track. Nothing in betwen will suffice for you? And this is because of what? Because you say this technological improvement is bad for us? You must enjoy driving your Stutz Bearcat around the track all by yourself for I think that's how far back you would have to go to drive a truly non-technologically improved automobile. GET A GRIP!
#54
Drifting
If you want to see the art of heel to toe by the best driver who ever drove a race car IMO, Ayrton Senna here, enjoy! And he drove that car to the absolute limit!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
#55
Pro
Thread Starter
I guess I should have clarified my position even further. If they want to provide this feature for those who'd like to use it, no problem. But, for the rest of us...we don't want to have to turn the feature off every time we get into our cars, we want to have to turn the feature on if we want to use it.
This reminds me of the cruise control on my '07 Jeep. For some reason, with all Chryslers, you have to activate the cruise control every time you get into your vehicle. I'm a guy who uses cruise an awful lot, so I have tried to develop the additional habit of activating the cruise control as soon as I start the car...every time! But I sometimes have something on my mind during the start up process and end up pulling away without activating the cruise. Then, once I'm in traffic, I hit the "set" button...and the car slows down. In traffic. I don't know if Chrysler is worried about some imaginary liability issue with leaving the cruise on, or what. But it's just an unnecessary P.I.T.A. I've had several VW daily drivers that have all had hard switches for the cruise: on/off. I turn on the switch when I take delivery of the car and never touch it again. And I've never had a problem.
So, I'm hoping that GM thought this through carefully and decided to have the ARM activate only when the "Sport" button gets pushed, or "Competition" mode is activated, or something like that. Or, it could even be a stand-alone feature that is user selectable somewhere in a menu. Just so I don't have to deal with it again after I first get the car and shut it off...
This reminds me of the cruise control on my '07 Jeep. For some reason, with all Chryslers, you have to activate the cruise control every time you get into your vehicle. I'm a guy who uses cruise an awful lot, so I have tried to develop the additional habit of activating the cruise control as soon as I start the car...every time! But I sometimes have something on my mind during the start up process and end up pulling away without activating the cruise. Then, once I'm in traffic, I hit the "set" button...and the car slows down. In traffic. I don't know if Chrysler is worried about some imaginary liability issue with leaving the cruise on, or what. But it's just an unnecessary P.I.T.A. I've had several VW daily drivers that have all had hard switches for the cruise: on/off. I turn on the switch when I take delivery of the car and never touch it again. And I've never had a problem.
So, I'm hoping that GM thought this through carefully and decided to have the ARM activate only when the "Sport" button gets pushed, or "Competition" mode is activated, or something like that. Or, it could even be a stand-alone feature that is user selectable somewhere in a menu. Just so I don't have to deal with it again after I first get the car and shut it off...
#56
Race Director
I can never understand why people hate new technology, never having even used it? Now where is the crank to start the engine? Darn electric starter, not needed, just extra weight.
#58
Instructor
Wondering if anyone has changed the pedals on their car to some offered that are wider on the accelerator pedal towards the floor to facilitate heel/toe shifting. I have size 13 shoes so it is a bit difficult for me, something I need to practice on a lot more. I think it is a great feature especially for some people that may have numerous reasons for not being able to perform this well. For the Pro's out there Congrats!, you can shut it off. In watching the video it seems it is more being fantastic at moving his feet off the brake and onto the accelerator vs. heel/toe where your heel blips the accelerator pedal, obviously you can perform the task by being very co-ordinated and talented which I'm not.
Last edited by nevillej; 01-17-2013 at 09:32 PM.
#59
If you want to see the art of heel to toe by the best driver who ever drove a race car IMO, Ayrton Senna here, enjoy! And he drove that car to the absolute limit!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
BTW, has anybody else noticed that the throttle on the C7 pivots from the floor? This would be an improvement, IMO, since it will mean the throttle pivots in an arch the same as the foot, giving a little better throttle control I hope.
#60
Le Mans Master
Relax, folks. First, it's an improvement for the vast majority of folks that like to autox/track our cars. Second, rev matching is a small (but quite satisfying part) of the whole "at the limits" experience. Brake points, turn in, trail braking, track out, have *zero* to do with rev matching. Third, unless someone has something I haven't heard/read about, we don't know what the rev match default is. I *assume* it'll default "On", but we don't know what we can/can't set.
I've just got to figure out how to to wait the 5 years or so until I can afford my C7!
Have a good one,
Mike