Has anyone said for sure what the default setting is?

Maybe we are contstranating for nothing.

I could be wrong, but my understand is that all your favorite settings program to your fob.

So rev match off, seat position, radio stations etc may end up being a one time setting thing and then you can heel/toe yourself to infinity never having to revist the issue.

Someone ask someone who knows please.

 

For people who enjoy driving without ARM, it is, indeed, very much like a player piano.

Then you haven't read my posts in this thread very carefully. I never said that I was a "pro" at rev matching, nor did I voice an opinion about how anyone else should be driving...on or off the track, or about what kind of transmission they should have. There's a fair chance that a majority of the posters here are better at rev matching than I am. All I said was that I enjoy rev matching without any aids...and that GM should have provided a permanent method of disabling ARM, for those who feel as I do about it. Anything else you may have read here was not posted by me.

Thank you for helping me explain why I don't need or want ARM.

 

Man, I hope you're right about the memory feature!

The thought occurred to me before my original post: why get all fired up until we know for sure? Totally valid question. Then my February/March issue of Road & Track showed up. They have two articles, one about the C7, the other about Tadge Juechter and his predecessors. This is what they said:

"Heel-and-toe fans can flick a switch to shut off rev matching".

I'll grant you that this still seems a bit ambiguous. However, these days manufacturers no longer provide switches for things unless those switches will be needed fairly often. I believe a permanent choice would have been buried in a menu somewhere. My only hope here is that the switch they were referring to was actually a software "switch". By the way, I'd love to wrong about this...

 

The switch is a paddle mounted to the steering wheel.

 

I'm not sure you know what a player piano is. A player piano would be better represented by a car that totally drives itself. ARM would be more like a piano that pressed down the sustain peddle automatically instead of you pushing it down with your foot. I happen to be a pianist, and I can tell you your analogy is as wrong as it gets.

And I read what you posted. You said it allows anyone to drive a manual without needing any real skill. Why is that a problem? This is what makes me think "elitist". A car that's easy to drive is a car that has achieved a major goal: being able to drive it.

Finally, we don't know if the ARM is automatically on by default every time you start your car. It's not on by default in the 370z and I highly doubt GM would make the mistake of forcing you to use it. I think you're panicking about something that you have nothing to worry about.

 

Complexity? Maybe the default will depend on the Mode selected.

In an effort to organize the complex number of customizable features, they’ve introduced the Driver Mode Selector which adjusts 12 different aspects of the 2014 Chevrolet C7 Corvette. Things like magnetic selective ride control, exhaust sound, transmission shift pattern and electronic throttle control are all adjusted at once via five modes.

You can choose weather, eco, tour, sport or track and watch the instrument cluster change as the vehicle adjusts. These modes take full advantage of the vehicle’s features without requiring a complex number of individual adjustments every time you get behind the wheel.

http://www.tflcar.com/2013/01/watch-...oit-auto-show/

 

I did love those few quotes about bandaids by Tadge Juechter in the recent mag article (R&T I Think it was). He totally contradicts himself if you consider the default use of RM!

Its also really interesting to note from that article that they bought a GTR and a R8 as inspiration for the vette - how blatantly obvious they stole design cues as well from those cars (GTR rear quarter and venting, and R8 rear end).

JVP - ok fellah. How do you know I'm not good enough, and who is talking about using 4 different brake pedals?! Thats only going to happen under a slip condition using ABS or active handling, but if you stop before slipping, or just at the point of slipping, you'll stop faster and wont need "4 legs".

But you totally are missing the point, I dont want any bandaids when driving a sports car. If you want or better yet need them, thats great, but I'm not interested. If I wanted bandaids, I'd buy the ultimate bandaid box, the GTR.

 

So you're 100% positive that all four of your tires have the exact same coefficient of friction, even on a dry track? Keep thinking that while I out-brake you making good use of my phenomenal ABS.

(Trust me, you're not that good).

jas

 

although I know exactly where you were going with that...

you can outbrake ABS... if... if keeping the car straight & still having steering are not in the desired outcomes.

For those track drivers that have already learned to maximize braking without the aid of ABS - there's no need for them to retrain their instinctive thresholds when competing. I don't imagine there is any gain to be had with those few that have mastered braking - the hard way.

But for 99% of us who do not compete on the track in our Corvettes; ABS and AH are butt savers. I know AH has saved my azz twice; kept me out of the ditch... and away from the body shop !

 

I'd like to mention that Porsche also has this tech on all of the new 991's and Boxsters and BMW has it on both the M5 and M6 manuals.

 

So many old guys fear technology, its unreal

 

so following your logic, anyone should be able to drive like senna in a "bandaid box" F1 car, since they drive themselves. I dont think so....

 

A lot of these things you are talking about are required on 2014 vehicles. That includes the back up camera. It is also the reason you find these features on Porsches and other imported cars. The handling support started with people who could not drive an SUV without putting it on its roof. I would hate to see all the stupid proof stuff on the C8.
Bill

 

Technology isn't scary. It's all the dang ELECTRONICS.

 

ABS braking on track = cheating and lame. 'nuf said.

To be clear, I dont have a problem with ABS and I dont have a problem with RM. What I do have a problem with is when they make us use it by default. ABS I dont mind so much because I'll only ever see it when I need it. RM on the other hand I'll see every time I shift, so that will force me to shut it off, which is annoying. I'm not lazy, I'm just a fan of a good user experience. The non annoying way they COULD HAVE implemented it would be to only have it activated by default when the car sensed it would be in a situation where the rear end would engine brake enough to lock the rear tires and initiate a spin. For example, you've entered a corner hard, downshift and drop the clutch while turning = instant spin. But for literally every other time, I don't want see, hear or feel it.

It has nothing to do with being old (I'm not old), or rejecting technology (I'm a total tech weenie). It has to do with engineers consistently engineering the fun out of cars, especially sports cars. I've owned eight sports cars and have experience with many more, and I can tell you the newer and more technical and precise a car gets, the more boring it is. This is my opinion.

My 2008 m3 coupe is a perfect example. On paper it is the perfect car. It will out-corner and accelerate many cars. Its refined, quiet, spacious, luxurious, comfortable, it can go in the snow, and it never breaks or makes funny noises. It also looks good and beyond really ****** gas mileage (which I dont even care about), its honestly really hard to complain about anything on this car.

Except one thing. Its f'in boring to drive. Why? Its too quiet. It corners too well. The engine is too linear. To get the back end to slide (for fun) you have to either be going very dangerous speeds or be very agressive with throttle, and in fact I've never been brave enough to find the cornering capability of this car and play at the limit. This car does EVERYTHING really well, but it is master of none. It has no CHARACTER and I totally miss my c5z06. That car made me feel like I was part of the equation and.. required. In the m3 you just turn wheel plant foot, and it does it, nice and smooth. Yawn.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM:
Engineers are literally programming the fun out of cars these days through refinement and technology because thats what the general public (basically everyone in this thread except 1analguy and me) want (or perhaps, think they want). This is the reason I didnt buy a c6 - it felt numb and unexciting to me, too refined. I figured if I have to buy a refined car, I might as well give the m3 a try. I genuinely feel bad for those of you that never really spent the time to learn how to properly integrate with and drive a sports car because there is nothing like it (maybe just motorcycle riding can top the feeling). Its not your fault, its just ignorance; you dont know what you're missing.

Sure MR, ABS, electronic steering, and traction control, or the worst offender yet, flappy paddles, can make you safer, and perhaps even faster, but at the end of the day, its NOT more fun, and what the hell do we buy these cars for if its not firstly, for fun.

 

Subw00er...I hear you and I totally understand. I am older but at least I enjoyed life before big brother protected me from myself. I drove cars on plowed snow not clear streets. They didn't salt just pushed the volume off. I could hang the rear of my car out in a turn. If I did something stupid the car did something stupid. The government is protecting us from ourselves... My solid axel 62 Corvette was slower then my C5 but a hell of a lot more fun to drive. It is never going to be the same but at least we can still drive the cars and not get hooked on a computer run drive by wire highway....

 

I recently had a novice student with a 370Z at a HPDE. We were having a pretty hot lap with a downhill left hand corner that required a downshift. Perfect rev match heel and toe and I said "WOW" great job of matching revs. He looked at me and said "WHAT, I didn't do anything" He then informed me that his car did that by itself. I was IMPRESSED but, I kinda felt like that was buying a kid a new "Les Paul" who has never played guitar before. It kinda pissed me off. It was really cool though and worked great. I guess I am just a little envious that I had to work at that to be fast and to earn a competition license. Oh well technology marches on.

 

Think how many retards would be dead now the way corvettes are driven if they didn't have some of these safety / improvements.

Anyone remember really getting on a C3 big block with bias ply tires?

So maybe the C7 should have some bias ply tires on it instead of the new fanged technology.

Wouldn't that really test your driving skill?

Again, anyone concerned with rev match, do you have any proof you have to deselect it every time? Or are you assuming?

Remember what your ninth grade teacher said about "assuming"?

 

So you are still using bias ply tires ?

 

It's really unbelievable. Especially considering that you can turn it off extremely easily.

I've heard people complain or be worried about:

- Direct injection
- Automatic Rev Match
- Electronic diff
- Electronic power steering
- Cylinder deactivation
- VVT
- Electronic parking brake
- Digital gauges


All things automakers including GM have had in production other cars for years. It's like people have had their eyes closed to nothing but everything in the Corvette world. Time to expand those horizons. It's 2013. The Corvette needed to be bought into the new era.