What makes you think a Corvette owner is interested in safety/improvements. Clearly all Corvette owners know how to drive the car:

 

Exactly

 

Yes. My 370 has it and I love it. It not only rev matches on downshifts, but on upshifts as well.

It is particularly nice when you put the car in neutral and let it coast for a while. The revs die down to idle and you can coast as long as you want, and then just throw it into any (reasonable) gear without trying to figure out the correct revs needed.

You can skip multiple gears (up or down) and get perfectly matched shifts every time.

I like it.

 

Do you have or turn it off every restart or how is it selected/ deselected.

 

I know if you leave it on, it stays on the next time you start it. I believe the opposite is true; turn it off and it defaults to off the next time you start the car.

 

Actually, what jvp said about different surface coefficients make perfect sense. That was entirely the point behind multiple-channel ABS systems. They give a level of control that no driver could achieve, as each individual wheel can maximize braking performance irrespective of differences in surfaces, as well as changes in vehicle load. Back in the day, R&T did a test of a Mercedes equipped with an ABS cutout switch. The only difference was being able to select whether a computer could determine the maximum braking performance. In just about every case, the ABS stopped shorter than the driver could in threshold braking. And processors nowadays are even faster. Also, go check the road tests of the old Viper before and after it received ABS; huge difference in braking distances there. Basically the same car, same tires, etc.
If all it takes is a tap of the paddle to disengage rev-matching, one could argue that you're somewhat lazy. And unlike ABS, it is something you can defeat. You should hate ABS even more.

But that takes away control of the car by the driver, which is a sin...

You couldn't be any more condescending. Sheesh.
Have you tried it? It sounds like you haven't. There are people who drive quite well, who can heel and toe (even in amateur competition settings), who enjoy using it.

 

No takers on going back to bias plys like the good old days of performance, man's man, driving?

 

You can dissect what I'm saying till you turn blue. I'm not being condescending, I really dont think you guys know what I'm talking about and I am not capable of explaining it any better.

You either get what I'm saying, or you dont.

 

I get it. As long as you can shut it off once and never have to bother with it again you have zero issues.

So, if that ends up the reality you will be another satisfied C7 owner.

 

we get it, your against ABS

 

But.. But.. But.. all the C6 diehards, who have never driven a C7 by the way, believe that the rev-matching in the C7 will suck. And they absolutely need to turn it off. Forever. Because it sucks that much.

How could they possibly be wrong?

 

I get it. If you can turn it (rev matching) off ONCE and it never comes on again until YOU turn it on, you're a happy guy!

On the ABS subject, with all respect, you cannot out brake ABS on a track in spite of how good you are (or think you are). ABS was outlawed (along with traction control) in F1 because the feeling was that the cars were getting TOO automated (which they were and are).

Jimmy

 

LMAO! Actually I was referring to the plight of the sports car enthusiast in an electronic age, but yes, thats pretty much what my problem is!

Well, that and they have to make it pretty, but thats another thread.

BTW, on the topic of ABS I don't think I ever said I didn't want it on my car, I actually said its a good idea on a street car. What I was saying is that I dont use it on the track because I am anti-nanny. Using it on track is basically cheating because it doesn't take any skill, and for all of you who ABS-brake on the track, you're a bunch of weenies! Using it on the street in a panic stop is obviously great!

You cant compare F1 to enjoyable street or track driving because they aren't doing it for fun, they're doing it to make money and that's a whole other ballgame. .01 sec shifts may matter in a race as tight as F1, but on the street in a street-prepped car? Come on give me a break! Even motogp and rally is lame now with sequential shifters and the like. I think they should ban all that technology. Then watching F1 and high paying car racing wouldn't be so boring and a driver would be rewarded for their entire skill set again.

 

Did they need it for the 0-60?

 

I'm for every high tech improvement a car can have, provided it has an override if I don't want it.

I love the automatic headlight, but they can be turned on or off when I want.

I hate the auto dimming mirror, it never reacts fast enough when some clown pulls in behind me with brights on, and it has no manual override or manual sensitivity adjustment.

As far as rev match, I would probably like it, but wonder if you press the gas and rev the engine too much during shifting does the rev match ignore your input and slow the engine back down?

 

Well if it does, It will enable shifting flatout.

 

I wasn't so much referring to the use of ARM as to the effect it will have on my enjoyment of my car, so I stand by my player piano analogy. For me, ARM removes all of the art and challenge of achieving perfect rev matches without any help. For you, I would think sitting at a player piano would have the same effect, no?

Porsche does indeed have this feature...on 991s, but unless they have made a mid-first-year running spec change, the manual-transmission-equipped 981s do not, as yet, have it.

Lighten up. "Old guys" have invented most of the technology that seems to make you think you're so special. We just don't use the word "awesome" to describe almost everything that doesn't flat-out suck. We also demand that technology should actually improve our enjoyment of our lives, rather than just changing them for the sake of change...

 

The ONLY person that dislikes the ABS while tracking is the person that has put back to back 3 perfect laps of threshold braking. Will the liar that wants to claim that please raise your hand.

 

Um. You do know what ABS is actually for right? It's not for panic quick stops. While it helps there, it is actually designed primarily so you can still corner while braking, which also leads to another skill set of trail braking, and throttle leading.

Damn straight I'll use my ABS on a track. I'm not a friggin idiot. I drove a Gen 3 Camaro Pre ABS (85 Camaro). I know precisely how Not Fun that can be. ABS for me. Especially with a car that, just to get a base line decent stock condition cost me 6k. (my C4) Let alone god help me if I get a C7 and throw down 55k. And let's be honest, there's no way in hell anyone is ever going to match the performance of an ABS car on a track, unless either A the car is that much more Hero than their competition, or B there's an absolutely huge disparity in driver skill (ie Non Pro, against a Pro). ABS got banned from F1 because it's too good not because it was some how hindering the driver's ability. For that matter in the Speed GT series that ran for a few years one of the first Nerfs they'd do to a car that was running away from everyone was to take away it's ABS system. The car would sink like a rock through the field for the rest of the season as long as it didn't have ABS and the other cars would. I wonder why that is. Hell I'm not terrible behind a wheel either myself and I can tell there is a world of difference in braking between my ABS C4 and what my Gen 3 Non ABS car had. Immediately. Not "oh you won't notice" no it was definitely apparent. The Gen 3 car was out right Diabolical especially on wet conditions if I had to get really hot and heavy on the brakes compared to what my C4 has going on. I don't even think twice with the C4.

That .01 second is over Every Shift (and that's assuming you nail it perfectly Every Time on your non rev matched car. More likely? You're looking at a .1 difference on average.) Think about that for a moment. Unless you hit it dead perfect every time (yeah right), that's going to add up over a 2.5 mile track, hell that's going to make a pretty big difference in autocrossing. If I'm driving my car fast enough to warrant wanting to hit my marks, then yes not having ABS or Rev Matching would impact my enjoyment.

If having tech at my disposal negatively impacted my enjoyment, then I'd be driving a 60s Musclecramp.. I mean Musclecar. Not a Gen4 and up F Body, a C4, and within the next few years a C7. (assuming I don't just break down and buy a C5 first.)

I'd much rather focus on my line, throttle management, braking points, and where the other cars on the track are than whether or not "am I going to lock up the brakes?" or "am I about to snap my poor car loose on a down shift" Especially when there's clowns on the track that think they're better than they really are who decided that "why yes I can drive without the assists!"

 

But you still put the shifter into each gate and YOU still press the clutch and decide what gear at what time.

A player piano doesn't have anything for you to do but hit the on button. Maybe we're arguing semantics but I just don't see how your analogy works if you still have to do a lot of the work. If anything, a fully automatic transmission makes more sense rather than just a manual with ARM.

BTW, I think manually rev-matching is a LOT of the fun of driving a manual as well. I rev-match for many reasons, but these days I've gotten so go at it that it's really second nature and sometimes I catch that super perfect shift that makes me realize I do a lot of rev-matching.