Building on the "Obsessed" one's on-point commentary, aren't these typically refundable deposits? If so, these people you impugn are merely giving up a couple bucks interest (literally, given current interest rates) to get to the front of the line.

Seems extremely rational. You probably spend more on the electricity consumed by all your posting and the cooling requirements to keep you below the boiling point.

 

I missed the part where you actually answered my question.

 

Obviously because you have no reading comprehension.

How does the phrase "...giving up a couple bucks interest...to get to the top of the line..." fail to meet your definition for answering your question: "...what is the basis for people to put deposit on C7 now then?"

Not that your snarky question even deserved a response. But, I guess I am just bored today so taking my turn in parrying your pathetic and misdirected thrusts seems to be the least I could do.

Seriously, do you just throw out randomly absurd statements for the fun of it? Could somebody explain this behavior to me (I mean other than petermj)?

 

petermj is a hater, for whatever reason, and is baiting us with his ignorant and in some cases slurs to members and the German people. I've reported his violations, whether anything happens to him or not. We all should just ignore him and move on.

 

The C6 LS3, jk

 

I agree; thanks for going the extra mile. Best I can recall, you and I have had many disagreements, but accept that having different opinions is OK, and bowing to factual rebuttals is not an admission of weakness.

I was just having a little fun on a bad-weather day between projects. Actually, I'd love to debate the guy on pretty much any topic in a public forum with a moderator. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

 

I agree about the prestige factor. I think the ones that can and may be swayed are the drivers. The sports car enthusiast that would much rather be at an auto-x than a show and shine. If the all around performance, which really hasn't been a problem for Corvette for a couple of generations, and the fit and finish are up to par, then they Porsche driver might take a look see at the Stingray. As for those looking for prestige, the ones that wear a car like a suit, well, they'll never wear a bowtie anyway, if you know what I mean.

 

You see Guibo; most of the entertaining part of my exchanges with you is that you end up rolling over your own steps throughout..

pretty much eh? as in "just about" or "almost"

even after many others pointed out at your ludicrous interpretation of Ed's real quote AFTER I busted you out on the fake quote...I understand...you have to make a living and it is history anyway..

So to the NOW...

I did provide a link did I not?

Did it not say that 2010 was a record year for the M3 in the USA (the #1 market for the car WW) at 2000 units (1/18th of C6 best year BTW).

BUT the REAL point you brought up and now you keep conveniently avoiding is:

HOW MANY POSSIBLE ENGLISH SPEAKING/WRITING M3 OWNERS HAVE FORUM POSTS???? vis a vis a C6???

your last attempt at reply mentioned Corvettes stashed in the deserted and secretive AREA 51 to mask real sales...

Do you want to retry or is "AREA 51" THE last official answer on this topic??

 

 

Why does ENGLISH SPEAKING MATTER AND WHY DO YOU FOCUS ONLY ON FORUM POSTS?? I said the C6 interior seats and interior have been criticized by both to an extent not seen for the M3, and that has come from reviewers and owners on both sides of the Atlantic; there are UK and Australian forums for Corvettes and BMWs, are there not? Feel free to post up your theory that it is only the underrepresented nature of M3 sales that contributes to this. Is it your contention that the Zonda Cinque actually has a poor interior and flimsy, unsupportive seats, but that we don't hear about it simply because there are only 5 in the world? C'mon man. Think! Even Tadge Juechter admits the seats are subpar for people who drive aggressively.
I don't see BMW admitting their interiors aren't world-class. You didn't correct me on anything about Ed but I did blast your theory that execs don't criticize their own vehicles. And I just did again with the Nissan exec admitting that Infiniti are "discount" and really not up to the level of the Europeans. But then you sound like the type who would tell his children "you've got to do better in school" and actually mean "hey, you're OK, no different from any others and better than some."

Nowhere in that link you provided did it say 2000 M3s were sold in the US, and now you are moving the goalposts yet again to compare a post-recession result in one year to the best-ever, pre-recession result for the Corvette in another year. Clever! If looking at similarly-priced cars for the year 2010, why not talk about the overpriced and underperforming Z4, which sold 24,575 units vs maybe 14k worldwide for the Corvette?
Simple fact is, the M3 costs more than the Corvette (even before factoring in GM loyalty discounts, employee discounts, dealer holdbacks, etc) and as such makes it available to an exponentially lower number of buyers (many of whom would rather just spend the money on a loaded 335i or 3-Series vert). The simple fact is, you were wrong to conclude that BMW sold only 19k M3s in the same period it took GM to sell 214k.
And why focus only on the US market? #1 market doesn't necessarily mean anything. One month it will be the US, the next it could be China. BMW aren't so shortsighted as to develop its cars only for one market, you know. You only want to compare the Corvette on its home turf where it has obvious patriotic homefield advantage and a much larger distributor network. Care to compare Ferrari sales in Germany/UK again?

 

Sex on wheels -- but isn't that pretty much like calling Jessica Alba the local prom queen's rival?

Worldwide, I'd bet there's no more than 100 potential Ferrari buyers who could be lured away by the awesome ZR-1 (with maybe a custom interior) as their go-to sports car; however, don't you think anybody who could afford a $240K 458 Italia, and might be considering a C7, would just add the C7 to their garage vs. giving up the Ferrari?

 

The C7 would be their puttin around town car and of course for when the 458's in the shop.

 

I think you are right. Corvette sales will not take many, if any, sales from Ferrari or most other exotics. Exotic owners will not be replacing their cars for a Corvette. More then likely they would buy a Corvette in addition to what they have if they did buy one. I know of a few exotic car owners who added a Z06 or ZR-1 to their stables for track events or daily drivers. These Guys are car guys who appreciate most cars if they are interesting irregardless of make.

 

As did I, because quite frankly, all he is doing is trolling this section.
S.

 

I would expect the Corvette to take some sales from Porsche, BMW, Audi but not Ferrari.

 

Totally agree. I am a perfect example. Back in '07 I ordered a Cayman S and cancelled it for a C6. Sold the '07 C6 and was on the fence between a Cayman S and M3 until I tried the '08 C6 again. Ended up with the '08 C6. Replaced the '08 for a 370Z and a few other fun cars on my bucket list including my current 911. Like most members on the C7 forum I am very excited and can't wait to see how it performs in the real world and would love to own one.

 

I would go out on a limb and say this:

C7 and Corvette in general has not and will not lure a Ferrari buyer into cross shopping.

BUT

C7 and Corvette in general has and probably will lure the unbiased sport car buyer (if it exists) to question whether he needs to buy a Ferrari.

Subtle difference but that to me that is "taking sales from Ferrari".

Or in other words let me put it in a form of a question:

Are C6 and C7 really all that "relatively" poorer vis a vis Ferrari owners or there is a segment of wealthy buyers that say "you know what, I don't need to buy a Ferrari...I can have the same with a Corvette..."

Statistically speaking I know there are C6 owners that could have bought a Ferrari and so in these cases isn't that taking sales from Ferrari?

 

The overlap would be so small as to be insignificant. I doubt a truly "unbiased" potential Ferrari buyer would think he's really "having the same" by choosing the Corvette. Last I heard, the median income of a Ferrari buyer was 3-4 times that of a Corvette buyer. For the vast majority, it is not an either/or proposition, but rather (as mentioned) making the Corvette an addition to a stable of cars. In the R&T feature, they mention possible competitors (SLK, 911, GT500, Boxster) and say:
"Corvette insiders are first to admit that few people actually cross-shop European sports cars with the Corvette."
Ferrari is not even on that radar. Unless we want to believe that a GT500 buyer is really cross-shopping a Ferrari. I'm sure Mustang forum members would love that to be true, but it just isn't.

 

I suppose that it is possible but if I had the money to comfortably buy/service a Ferrari, it wouldn't be a hard decision at all.