C7 makes C6 obsolete
The Consigliere
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From: 2023 Z06 & 2010 ZR1
C6 ZR1 wins the 'Ring 24 hr production class. Hat tip to Sureshot for the find.
Not bad for an older platform up against the new stuff. Oh, and I thought these never got raced or couldn't be cuz FI. . . . LOL.
These rigs are far more robust than they get credit for.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ion-class.html
Not bad for an older platform up against the new stuff. Oh, and I thought these never got raced or couldn't be cuz FI. . . . LOL.
These rigs are far more robust than they get credit for.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ion-class.html
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I own a c6 and I have never seen such a senitve bunch of people..
I wonder do people look at you wrong when you go outside your house...?
Come on..the chief engineer was just excited about his teams accomplishments with the new c7.
I dig my c6 and I clearly know the c7 is the latest and greatest from GM.
I wonder do people look at you wrong when you go outside your house...?
Come on..the chief engineer was just excited about his teams accomplishments with the new c7.
I dig my c6 and I clearly know the c7 is the latest and greatest from GM.
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This thread is kind of an IQ test. If one is of reasonable IQ and comprehends the English language, no offense could reasonably be taken because the head Corvette guy was simply speaking the truth about the relative technologies when comparing the C6 generation to the new C7 generation. And those clearly stated truths aren't even debatable.
Now, while it is understandable that some who don't easily comprehend the nuances of the English language might have initially been angered, even they would have figured it out by now.
Which leaves us with either those who have egocentric issues or trolls having fun in their own uniquely strange anti-societal ways.
All of which is why this thread needs to go away because the 1-2% who simply don't get it never will and the trolls have no desire to get it because they are having entirely too much self serving fun pulling other people's chains .
The continuing existence of this thread only serves to denigrate the intellectual credibility of the entire Corvette enthusiast community.
Now, while it is understandable that some who don't easily comprehend the nuances of the English language might have initially been angered, even they would have figured it out by now.
Which leaves us with either those who have egocentric issues or trolls having fun in their own uniquely strange anti-societal ways.
All of which is why this thread needs to go away because the 1-2% who simply don't get it never will and the trolls have no desire to get it because they are having entirely too much self serving fun pulling other people's chains .
The continuing existence of this thread only serves to denigrate the intellectual credibility of the entire Corvette enthusiast community.
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Safety Car
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My guess is that being the C7 has stuff in it that the C6 does not it could be considered obsolete. But that stuff they put in the C7, DI, VVT, CYLINDER DEACTIVATION, MY LINK ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM is hardly ground breaking technology. The new kenwoods would blow that my link system out of the water just for a $1000 entry fee. The five mode driver select is probably a good thing but the mag shocks have been around awhile. The new heads up have also been around in other cars and the one in the C6 was so far behind the times this one is just a welcome sight. The new dash is great if you like that gadgetry look and how much more usefull info you can get out of it that a normal analog gauge cluster can't remains to be seen. This is just my take on the whole obsolete issue.
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Ya, that's what he said. ZR1's are junk.
He is an ENGINEER, and from that point of view, the car is obsolete. My friend just bought a 2013 Cadillac ATS, and the interior, and electronics make my 2013 427 seriously obsolete. My car is still way cooler, faster, seriously more sex appeal, and I like it a lot more. But technically, it is obsolete. Not junk, not useless, not valueless, just obsolete.
How much of the C6 is used on the C7? That means it's obsolete. Stop being hurt that a newer better car is out. The new Viper TA just beat the ZR1 at Laguna Seca, time marches forward.
So the new C6, back in 2005, didn't stir some souls. It had a great run. Loverboy would say, "call me when its over"
He is an ENGINEER, and from that point of view, the car is obsolete. My friend just bought a 2013 Cadillac ATS, and the interior, and electronics make my 2013 427 seriously obsolete. My car is still way cooler, faster, seriously more sex appeal, and I like it a lot more. But technically, it is obsolete. Not junk, not useless, not valueless, just obsolete.
How much of the C6 is used on the C7? That means it's obsolete. Stop being hurt that a newer better car is out. The new Viper TA just beat the ZR1 at Laguna Seca, time marches forward.
So the new C6, back in 2005, didn't stir some souls. It had a great run. Loverboy would say, "call me when its over"
I may be wrong about the exact difference, but the TA did not "beat the ZR1 at Laguna Seca" when the ZR1 was not even there. The difference in times is well within the variation for different days/temperatures/track conditions etc.
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Uh, not exactly. The ZR1 wasn't even there. It was a staged event by Motor Trend and Chrysler, because Chrysler whined about losing the last head to head comparison, and so MT claims they "forced" Chrysler to build the new TA. They the allowed Chrysler to run it BY ITSELF and compared that time to the previous ZR1 time. Even then, it was better by only a very small margin, something less than half a second, around .03 IIRC without having the article in front of me.
I may be wrong about the exact difference, but the TA did not "beat the ZR1 at Laguna Seca" when the ZR1 was not even there. The difference in times is well within the variation for different days/temperatures/track conditions etc.
I may be wrong about the exact difference, but the TA did not "beat the ZR1 at Laguna Seca" when the ZR1 was not even there. The difference in times is well within the variation for different days/temperatures/track conditions etc.
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My guess is that being the C7 has stuff in it that the C6 does not it could be considered obsolete. But that stuff they put in the C7, DI, VVT, CYLINDER DEACTIVATION, MY LINK ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM is hardly ground breaking technology. The new kenwoods would blow that my link system out of the water just for a $1000 entry fee. The five mode driver select is probably a good thing but the mag shocks have been around awhile. The new heads up have also been around in other cars and the one in the C6 was so far behind the times this one is just a welcome sight. The new dash is great if you like that gadgetry look and how much more usefull info you can get out of it that a normal analog gauge cluster can't remains to be seen. This is just my take on the whole obsolete issue.
Sat in on multiple seminars while in Bowling Green. The fact that you can modify the settings for the motor, transmission and gearbox to me make all the other models including the C6 obsolete. I mean that you can modify these settings through the onboard computer and DIC on the car itself you do not need a special computer or GM license. In addition to this you can still modify other items as well including shocks, traction control, stability, launch, and the list goes on and on. You can't do that on any other model corvette. The addition of being able to change how the gearbox works is incredible. Very informative seminars. The computer assisted rev matching also is a nice improvement. Car blips the throttle just before you change gears.
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ALOT MORE TO IT!
Sat in on multiple seminars while in Bowling Green. The fact that you can modify the settings for the motor, transmission and gearbox to me make all the other models including the C6 obsolete. I mean that you can modify these settings through the onboard computer and DIC on the car itself you do not need a special computer or GM license. In addition to this you can still modify other items as well including shocks, traction control, stability, launch, and the list goes on and on. You can't do that on any other model corvette. The addition of being able to change how the gearbox works is incredible. Very informative seminars. The computer assisted rev matching also is a nice improvement. Car blips the throttle just before you change gears.
Sat in on multiple seminars while in Bowling Green. The fact that you can modify the settings for the motor, transmission and gearbox to me make all the other models including the C6 obsolete. I mean that you can modify these settings through the onboard computer and DIC on the car itself you do not need a special computer or GM license. In addition to this you can still modify other items as well including shocks, traction control, stability, launch, and the list goes on and on. You can't do that on any other model corvette. The addition of being able to change how the gearbox works is incredible. Very informative seminars. The computer assisted rev matching also is a nice improvement. Car blips the throttle just before you change gears.
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ALOT MORE TO IT!
Sat in on multiple seminars while in Bowling Green. The fact that you can modify the settings for the motor, transmission and gearbox to me make all the other models including the C6 obsolete. I mean that you can modify these settings through the onboard computer and DIC on the car itself you do not need a special computer or GM license. In addition to this you can still modify other items as well including shocks, traction control, stability, launch, and the list goes on and on. You can't do that on any other model corvette. The addition of being able to change how the gearbox works is incredible. Very informative seminars. The computer assisted rev matching also is a nice improvement. Car blips the throttle just before you change gears.
Sat in on multiple seminars while in Bowling Green. The fact that you can modify the settings for the motor, transmission and gearbox to me make all the other models including the C6 obsolete. I mean that you can modify these settings through the onboard computer and DIC on the car itself you do not need a special computer or GM license. In addition to this you can still modify other items as well including shocks, traction control, stability, launch, and the list goes on and on. You can't do that on any other model corvette. The addition of being able to change how the gearbox works is incredible. Very informative seminars. The computer assisted rev matching also is a nice improvement. Car blips the throttle just before you change gears.
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Uh, yea, exactly. If a TIME is beaten, then both cars don't have to be there, that is why they "RECORD" lap times. So, they can compare the times, you see?? Or do I have to spell it out to you like a 3rd grader?
When the Z06, in 2006 set a record at the ring, no one could beat it cause, you know, they weren't there. So, I guess that's that.
I guess when Jim Mero set a production record, for awhile, in the ZR1, at the ring, didn't count, no one else was there, too bad Jim.
Look dude, whoever you are, I love the Corvette, and my 427 Vert, but I got the sportsmanship to at least say, "Way to go team Viper", you beat one of the best sports cars on the planet, with your first offering, and it was the ZR1's 5th year of production. Well done you. Thank you for advancing the state of street car performance.
But not you. Your petty comments about my post lead me to believe you still believe you think a 1995 ZR-1 Corvette is still "King of the Hill" and needs to remain unchallenged.
By the way, this was a thread about the C6 being obsolete, and arguments for or against what Tadge Jeuchter said. Thanks for inserting your "Corvette's are best" and no other person better say different attitude, and hijacking this guy's thread.
When the Z06, in 2006 set a record at the ring, no one could beat it cause, you know, they weren't there. So, I guess that's that.
I guess when Jim Mero set a production record, for awhile, in the ZR1, at the ring, didn't count, no one else was there, too bad Jim.
Look dude, whoever you are, I love the Corvette, and my 427 Vert, but I got the sportsmanship to at least say, "Way to go team Viper", you beat one of the best sports cars on the planet, with your first offering, and it was the ZR1's 5th year of production. Well done you. Thank you for advancing the state of street car performance.
But not you. Your petty comments about my post lead me to believe you still believe you think a 1995 ZR-1 Corvette is still "King of the Hill" and needs to remain unchallenged.
By the way, this was a thread about the C6 being obsolete, and arguments for or against what Tadge Jeuchter said. Thanks for inserting your "Corvette's are best" and no other person better say different attitude, and hijacking this guy's thread.
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@ Vette Lag -
Me 'hijacking this thread"? That's effing hilarious!
BTW, you are the one who brought up the Viper.............
Guess you totally missed the point about .08 being within the variations of different days?
Funny how your post, as quoted by Reciprocal, is now MIA...........
Me 'hijacking this thread"? That's effing hilarious!
BTW, you are the one who brought up the Viper.............Guess you totally missed the point about .08 being within the variations of different days?
Funny how your post, as quoted by Reciprocal, is now MIA...........