Showcasing E85?
Racer
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Like I said. A total waste of American resources at so many levels. Ethanol requires more oil to produce a gallon of gas. Then you need to transport it to a refinery. It also takes food resources in what ever form you make the ethanol from. Then you need to re-manufacture engine parts to handle the corrosive junk. All this to get a little more HP. Nope! A total waste.
corrosive junk???? have you ever taken a motor apart that has ran E85?? it looks clean as hell...
i have a BUNCH of ethonal refineries in my state so i am fine with that. it brings money into my state and local market
Racer
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...s-imposed.html
here is a old right up.... but i think time will tell. just find it funny that it is in the RPO code but you can use it...
guys i'll be the first guy to switch it over. i love the stuff.
Le Mans Master
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From: Ventura CA
Racer
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i would atleast like a christmas card from the familes i am supporting.
but i understand. but even in the end if that was there then e85 would be 3.50 a gallon... i would pay that for it. the benifits out weight the cost to me.
Racer
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I hear ya. Im not against ethanol, i have a problem with stupid ideas that i have to pay for. If they are going to throw away money they should at least be upfront about it. Take the $1.90/gallon in subsidies and just import cane ethanol (better fuel) for $0.80/gallon, shut down the refineries but continue to pay every refinery employee and farmer exactly the same to not work. They could do that and probably still have a surplus of cash.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Beaverton OR
Thank You!?
I have read that there are quality issues with it, and it varies all over so, yes, I was worried about that. It would be hard to have a warranty if you couldn't vouch for what was going in!
But, that guy working with the motor last year said, the fuel system was good up to something like four digits, which, would be good for a fuel that requires ~30% more fluid.
And I beleave he said the LT1 could make ~40hp more on E85!
They tried!
(And for the record I have heard most E10 is something like E6.)
But, that guy working with the motor last year said, the fuel system was good up to something like four digits, which, would be good for a fuel that requires ~30% more fluid.
And I beleave he said the LT1 could make ~40hp more on E85!
They tried!
(And for the record I have heard most E10 is something like E6.)
Last edited by johnglenntwo; May 4, 2013 at 05:32 PM.
Racer
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From: Espoo, Finland
All types have some variation even in specification and manufacturer has to take this into account. Even e85 spec says ethanol percentage is between 53% to 83%.
Racer
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Gm's flex fuel sensor on all the cars today can read from e1 to e99.
so i would guess they can adjust the tune just the same. depending how much ethanol you have in the system.
then you can run e10, e20, e50, e85. what ever.
i have pro efi on my car. yes it is alot bit more adjance than like what GM's computers are but... in the end they use the same flex fuel sensor.
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on the variations. the govnerment regulates that it use to have to be between e70-e85. now it is e51-e85.
in my town i have never seen less than e72.
so i would guess they can adjust the tune just the same. depending how much ethanol you have in the system.
then you can run e10, e20, e50, e85. what ever.
i have pro efi on my car. yes it is alot bit more adjance than like what GM's computers are but... in the end they use the same flex fuel sensor.
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on the variations. the govnerment regulates that it use to have to be between e70-e85. now it is e51-e85.
in my town i have never seen less than e72.
I have read that there are quality issues with it, and it varies all over so, yes, I was worried about that. It would be hard to have a warranty if you couldn't vouch for what was going in!
But, that guy working with the motor last year said, the fuel system was good up to something like four digits, which, would be good for a fuel that requires ~30% more fluid.
And I beleave he said the LT1 could make ~40hp more on E85!
They tried!
(And for the record I have heard most E10 is some like E6.)
But, that guy working with the motor last year said, the fuel system was good up to something like four digits, which, would be good for a fuel that requires ~30% more fluid.
And I beleave he said the LT1 could make ~40hp more on E85!
They tried!
(And for the record I have heard most E10 is some like E6.)
Safety Car
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From: Southeast, WI
you will get more HP running e85 due to you can run more timing......safely
corrosive junk???? have you ever taken a motor apart that has ran E85?? it looks clean as hell...
i have a BUNCH of ethonal refineries in my state so i am fine with that. it brings money into my state and local market
corrosive junk???? have you ever taken a motor apart that has ran E85?? it looks clean as hell...
i have a BUNCH of ethonal refineries in my state so i am fine with that. it brings money into my state and local market
If you want to use it for racing, refine yourself, but don't ask me to pay for junk!
Racer
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Ethanol ruins more engines. As far as refinery's, I do not want to subsidize your state or any other state, in order to make gas that is more expensive, more corrosive, and yields less mileage. Makes no sense. At the same time takes a food supply away. This is wrong on just about every level.
If you want to use it for racing, refine yourself, but don't ask me to pay for junk!
If you want to use it for racing, refine yourself, but don't ask me to pay for junk!
but you going to have to explain this corrosive thing. or how it ruins engines.... not trying to be rude. but i will need actually facts.
i have been running it it cars for years and do ALOT of e85 conversions on customers cars. never had the ethonal ruin anything if done properly.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Beaverton OR
Epa!?
Many potential problems, but, an excellent concept, and theoretically possible!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; May 4, 2013 at 05:48 PM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Beaverton OR
It's a great Concept!
Ethanol ruins more engines. As far as refinery's, I do not want to subsidize your state or any other state, in order to make gas that is more expensive, more corrosive, and yields less mileage. Makes no sense. At the same time takes a food supply away. This is wrong on just about every level.
If you want to use it for racing, refine yourself, but don't ask me to pay for junk!
If you want to use it for racing, refine yourself, but don't ask me to pay for junk!
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Le Mans Master
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From: Beaverton OR
Maybe an Enable switch!
you guys keep bring up it takes food away..... have you seen what potion size is at restaurants??? me taking a little bit of corn is nothing comparied to the daily food thrown away.... atleast im using it..
but you going to have to explain this corrosive thing. or how it ruins engines.... not trying to be rude. but i will need actually facts.
i have been running it it cars for years and do ALOT of e85 conversions on customers cars. never had the ethonal ruin anything if done properly.
but you going to have to explain this corrosive thing. or how it ruins engines.... not trying to be rude. but i will need actually facts.
i have been running it it cars for years and do ALOT of e85 conversions on customers cars. never had the ethonal ruin anything if done properly.
Last edited by johnglenntwo; May 4, 2013 at 05:51 PM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Beaverton OR
Racer
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Five manufacturers (BMW, Chrysler, Nissan, Toyota and Volkswagen) are on record saying their warranties will not cover fuel-related claims caused by the use of E15 or higher. Eight additional automakers (GM, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz and Volvo) have stated that the use of E15 or higher concentrations does not comply with the fuel requirements specified in their owner’s manuals and may void warranty coverage.
The automakers' expressed concern is based on several studies, one of the latest of which was done by this group:
CRC Project: CM-136-09-1B
Intermediate-Level Ethanol Blends
Engine Durability Study
Prepared for:
Coordinating Research Council, Inc.
3650 Mansell Road, Suite 140
Alpharetta, GA 30022
Submitted by:
Henning Kleeberg
FEV, Inc.
4554 Glenmeade Lane
Auburn Hills, MI 48326
You can Google that study and pull it right up.
All the above refers to non-E85 capable vehicles. E85 capable vehicles don't have the issue, obviously.