Showcasing E85?
Burning Brakes
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What? I have no idea what this means... "America's gas" means "gas heavily subsidized by Uncle Sam whose production is incredibly wasteful"?
That said, there are more productive ways to produce ethanol, but we are just not implementing those for the most part right now.
That said, there are more productive ways to produce ethanol, but we are just not implementing those for the most part right now.
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Yeah!
What? I have no idea what this means... "America's gas" means "gas heavily subsidized by Uncle Sam whose production is incredibly wasteful"?
That said, there are more productive ways to produce ethanol, but we are just not implementing those for the most part right now.
That said, there are more productive ways to produce ethanol, but we are just not implementing those for the most part right now.
I don't care about all that crap!
If demand goes up from a bunch of crazed Corvette owners running it religiously the market will drive up the efficiency.
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St. Jude Donor '12-'13-'14, '16
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Amazing!
Interesting how we kind of regressed back into the 50s.
Anyway, sinking your heels in when it comes to TECH is not only a waste of time, but, is going to net you on the wrong side of issues.
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I'm just givin ya a hard time, as long as the non metal parts are stable in ethanol the only worry is slow erosion of metal from rust (since the ethanol will attract and carry water) and the light acid bath (that "polishes" and removes oxidative material). 
Would just rather have the billions spent subsidizing ethanol be used to research battery tech or fuel cell membranes. Something that has a viable end game (ie not combustion). The faster we can transition to the bulk of transportation to electric power the less time the lawmakers will have to whittle away at displacement and power.
Would just rather have the billions spent subsidizing ethanol be used to research battery tech or fuel cell membranes. Something that has a viable end game (ie not combustion). The faster we can transition to the bulk of transportation to electric power the less time the lawmakers will have to whittle away at displacement and power.Other than that, it wouldn't be possible for anything to rust. The lines themselves are stainless steel. The fuel would combust leaving nowhere for the water to sit in the combustion chamber and as long as the fuel pumps have no parts that can rust (which they don't), there's nowhere for rust to start.
The idea is even more unlikely than the idea that SOMEHOW enough water could accumulate in a tank of E85 to hydro-lock the engine. (Another obviously untrue myth.)
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The amount of water that gets attracted to E85 isn't remotely enough to rust anything it would touch. The only way for that to happen is to have a metal gas tank. Water won't make it through the rest of the fuel system, even if the car is parked for a while because the fuel lines are air tight. Water would somehow have to creep up through the fuel pump and through the fuel lines.
Other than that, it wouldn't be possible for anything to rust. The lines themselves are stainless steel. The fuel would combust leaving nowhere for the water to sit in the combustion chamber and as long as the fuel pumps have no parts that can rust (which they don't), there's nowhere for rust to start.
The idea is even more unlikely than the idea that SOMEHOW enough water could accumulate in a tank of E85 to hydro-lock the engine. (Another obviously untrue myth.)
Other than that, it wouldn't be possible for anything to rust. The lines themselves are stainless steel. The fuel would combust leaving nowhere for the water to sit in the combustion chamber and as long as the fuel pumps have no parts that can rust (which they don't), there's nowhere for rust to start.
The idea is even more unlikely than the idea that SOMEHOW enough water could accumulate in a tank of E85 to hydro-lock the engine. (Another obviously untrue myth.)
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St. Jude Donor '12
I am sure he dyno'd before but it wasn't a no change after. You cannot take an LS3, drain the fuel and drop in E85.
At a minimum, the car needs to be retuned. It may need bigger injectors because you need to inject more fuel due to the lower energy content of E85 (~25% less BTU in E85). You can run extra timing but you are not going to get 25% more HP just from extra timing.
A bunch of the FI guys are switching to E85 on their heavily boosted cars because it allows them to run more boost. That gives them more HP.
At a minimum, the car needs to be retuned. It may need bigger injectors because you need to inject more fuel due to the lower energy content of E85 (~25% less BTU in E85). You can run extra timing but you are not going to get 25% more HP just from extra timing.
A bunch of the FI guys are switching to E85 on their heavily boosted cars because it allows them to run more boost. That gives them more HP.
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Yes, I did however, the pulls where a few hours apart due to having to get all the pump gas out of the tank. Either way, the results were very shocking, and the car has been running perfect as my DD for over 13 months now. I have a really awesome detailed thread on my E85 experience (Track times, mods, MPH, reliability, fuel economy) in the C6 section if you are interested on researching it.
Either way, I will be happy if the C7 doesn't come with E85 as a standard fuel, because my ECU developer is on standby to help me have the first on the streets with the gas. He was the first to crack the ECU on the V6 camaro running DI, and the new Cadaliac ECU's as well. He is very confident he will have it tuned swiftly. He is buying a 2014 Silverado to crack the ECU, due to the truck using the same computer as the C7
Dyno Results:
Before and after E85
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Don't know if you follow NASCAR, but they have gone to E20. All the NASCAR tracks have underground storage tanks but when they went to E20, they discontinued using the underground tanks. They bring in a semi truck with the E20 premixed and fuel the team's gas cans directly from the fuel tanker. I wonder why?
It's well known you cannot store ethanol for prolonged periods of time. You think that has something to do with rust? It does not. You're not going to rust anything in any car with E85 that wouldn't get rusted with any other fuel. My point being that there's nothing that could rust between the fuel tank and the engine. And there wouldn't be enough ethanol in any fuel tank in a Corvette to attract enough water over 6 months to make any sort of difference.
Can you attract a lot of water with a tank of E85 sitting in a car that hasn't moved for years? Yes. But if you did that, you're a dummy because you shouldn't store a car without a fuel stabilizer anyway.
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I think I love it when a plan comes together!?
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you guys keep talking about it uses up our food.......
do you know how much corn we ship out of this country????? we can make and ship corn to other countries cheaper then they can make it. so this food talk needs to die. lol.
do you know how much corn we ship out of this country????? we can make and ship corn to other countries cheaper then they can make it. so this food talk needs to die. lol.
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What? I have no idea what this means... "America's gas" means "gas heavily subsidized by Uncle Sam whose production is incredibly wasteful"?
That said, there are more productive ways to produce ethanol, but we are just not implementing those for the most part right now.
That said, there are more productive ways to produce ethanol, but we are just not implementing those for the most part right now.