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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrian Luna
This is not meant to be a criticism of the C7 just a reality.

For the first couple years of every generation there seems to be problems. What problems/malfunctions do you see with the C7 for the first few years?

Do you think we'll have flying roofs again like we did with 2005-2006
C6 models or anything that serious?

A lot of people I've spoken with are concerned about AFM, but that technology has been around since the 90s I believe.

Thoughts?
I plan to buy some new stuff over the next year. Maybe one of the newer type washing machines, a GoPro Camera and perhaps one the new non-taper grips for my putter.

What problems/malfunctions do you see with these items for the first few years?

A lot of people are concerned about the Spin Cycle on the washing machine - but I think that technology has been around for some time now.

Do you think I'll have problems with the Go Pro like I did with my first Polaroid Instamatic?

Thoughts ????


(Parody - cuz the number of nonsensical threads speculating about the C7 merit it)

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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 07:43 PM
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In my view, with the single hold-over part from the c6 being the cabin air filter, the probabilities of problems occurring is greatly increased. I have decided to keep my powder dry until I have a better idea of what I'm getting into.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 08:47 PM
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Have the first-year issues ever been worse than previous generations? I'm willing to bet that the C7 will have the most successful first year of all generations.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by -CM-
Have the first-year issues ever been worse than previous generations? I'm willing to bet that the C7 will have the most successful first year of all generations.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Hope your right, but I'd take that bet. Why? Because there is far more new tech in the C7 than there was between the C5 and C6.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADLS3
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Hope your right, but I'd take that bet. Why? Because there is far more new tech in the C7 than there was between the C5 and C6.
C6 first year issues included a cracking/exploded rear diff.

Among other issues, there were electronics gremlins all over the place, including when the car was parked. Don't forget about the tops blowing off (even into the later years).

I'd take the bet that the first year C7s show less troubles than the the C6s.

Remember, almost every single thing they've added is something they've already been using.
The Gen V is already in trucks getting rounds of testing. The AFM is a second generation system. Not something completely new. This time they've got more experience with it and know what NOT to do. The infotainment system isn't new at all. It's in Cadillacs. There's hardly anything new on the C7. It's only new to the Corvette.

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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
C6 first year issues included a cracking/exploded rear diff.

Among other issues, there were electronics gremlins all over the place, including when the car was parked. Don't forget about the tops blowing off (even into the later years).

I'd take the bet that the first year C7s show less troubles than the the C6s.

Remember, almost every single thing they've added is something they've already been using.
The Gen V is already in trucks getting rounds of testing. The AFM is a second generation system. Not something completely new. This time they've got more experience with it and know what NOT to do. The infotainment system isn't new at all. It's in Cadillacs. There's hardly anything new on the C7. It's only new to the Corvette.
GM is not exactly known for integrating technology into new engines/vehicles flawlessly. AFM version 1 had serious issues and it was not "new tech"...just new to GM. I will believe they resoved these issues when I see it after a few years. DI is already having issues with carbon build-up with no solution yet. Rev matching is not new tech, but GM could very easily have found a way to screw it up somehow. VVT should be fine, I do not know of any issues with it previously (I have it in my truck).

Just because it isn't new, does not mean it will be flawless. The issues you listed with the C6 intro were not new tech, were they?
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:09 PM
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GM talked about how the DI carbon build up was solved by using a new PCV system.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
GM talked about how the DI carbon build up was solved by using a new PCV system.
You really believe everything GM says to the media huh?
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Originally Posted by 1BADLS3
You really believe everything GM says to the media huh?
If they were lying about that, all engine builders would know the moment they pulled the motor apart. That would be bad press for GM.

Obviously, you're one of those people that believe rumors over science, right?
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:24 PM
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I bet from time to time, you'll have to give the thingiemajiggie a whack on the side to get it working right.

In all seriousness, tho, nobody can predict the areas/parts that will prove troublesome (if any). If they could, then they'd get fixed prior to intro.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
If they were lying about that, all engine builders would know the moment they pulled the motor apart. That would be bad press for GM.

Obviously, you're one of those people that believe rumors over science, right?
yes, cuz GM has never lied before huh?

i.e. Piston slap...they claimed it was fixed, then when it wasn't, they said, oh, it's normal, we aren't fixing it.

I could cite several more examples.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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ok, guessing...

-the DI pump cam lobe not hardened well enough (reminiscent of Audi failures).

-The Z51 active differential mechanism..be it a fluid pump or electric- I forgot which (ala Active yaw Control (AYC) diff issues with Mitsubishi Evos).
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by robvuk
Pointless thread.
Yep!
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADLS3
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Hope your right, but I'd take that bet. Why? Because there is far more new tech in the C7 than there was between the C5 and C6.
The facts are fairly clear. All manufacturers are getting better. Take a look at JD Power and reported problems in the first 90 days. Then take a look at the numbers today and what they were 10 years ago. The worst car available today is likely better than the best car just 10 years ago. The big change is the computers and the tracking of any and all problems as they arise.

First year models are better than ever and it is a safe bet that the C7 will be the best launch yet. A lot more information is available today than it was in 2005 and manufacturers are taking full advantage of it. Take a look at the computer you were using then and the computer you are using today, big difference!
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADLS3
yes, cuz GM has never lied before huh?

i.e. Piston slap...they claimed it was fixed, then when it wasn't, they said, oh, it's normal, we aren't fixing it.

I could cite several more examples.
Piston slap was inevitable. Different materials used in the engine... Different expansion rates.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
Piston slap was inevitable. Different materials used in the engine... Different expansion rates.
Then why was is more prevalent in GM V8's?

It's because GM used shorter skirted pistons in the name of reducing mass...combined with sloppy tolerancing. That's why it varied in severity from one engine to another, but was present to some extent in most of them.

Pistons (amunimum) have always been a different material than cylinder walls (steel).
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Originally Posted by bmacZO6
The facts are fairly clear. All manufacturers are getting better. Take a look at JD Power and reported problems in the first 90 days. Then take a look at the numbers today and what they were 10 years ago. The worst car available today is likely better than the best car just 10 years ago. The big change is the computers and the tracking of any and all problems as they arise.

First year models are better than ever and it is a safe bet that the C7 will be the best launch yet. A lot more information is available today than it was in 2005 and manufacturers are taking full advantage of it. Take a look at the computer you were using then and the computer you are using today, big difference!
yet, my 89 GMC Sierra was a first year model and had zero initial quality issues. My 2000 GMC Sierra was a first (full) year model and it had only a couple. My 2007 was by far the most problematic truck of the 3, it had numerous teething issues, some minor, some major.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 10:19 PM
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Good topic. Than when they do make the thing, look back and see what actually
came through and issues no one thought of
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Hopefully they fixed the harmonic balancer on the C7 seeing they ignored it on the last two generations....
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by R&L's C6
Hopefully they fixed the harmonic balancer on the C7 seeing they ignored it on the last two generations....

Just as soon as they use up the 112,657 they have in inventory, they'll jump right on it
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