The interior…. I'm just not feeling the love.
C7 vs 458
Pro
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 693
Likes: 1
From: CA
.....
The cars are meant for different markets. One is a 200k+ supercar and the other a mass appeal car. That the corvette gives you 95% of the performance for 1/3 the cost shows how far GM has come. Most people that can afford the 458 will buy one because they want one sports car not two. .....
In Naples, Florida you will see more 458's running around then C7's because the people can afford them.
Avalon
The cars are meant for different markets. One is a 200k+ supercar and the other a mass appeal car. That the corvette gives you 95% of the performance for 1/3 the cost shows how far GM has come. Most people that can afford the 458 will buy one because they want one sports car not two. .....
In Naples, Florida you will see more 458's running around then C7's because the people can afford them.
Avalon
Last edited by usroute66 MKW; Nov 5, 2013 at 03:34 PM.
Race Director
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,355
Likes: 12
'Yeah, that's my 2013 Ferrari" are certainly words most, but not all, of us would like to say--- and would if we comfortably could. Still fun to compare actual performance numbers with a Chevrolet Corvette though. And there are many, many people who covet a late model Corvette who aren't in a position where owning one is possible and/or makes sense.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 817
Likes: 34
Mine.
The 458 is a great car but it is not perfect. The AC, Radio, and Nav suck for example. The interior wears if you only look at it. It attracts too much attention from people you don't want attention from. The options are just stupid crazy ($3500 for electric seats, 3300 for Nav plus 2000 for the Sat antenna, 6000 for the Carbon fibre dash, even 900 for a stupid Ipod cable. Those little yellow shields on the side --- $1800)
On the other hand, the sound and fury it delivers at 9 grand is mind blowing. The shifting is lighting fast. And the looks are somewhere between Sophia Loren in the 60's and Kate Upton.
The C7 looks like a great daily driver. The 458 just isn't.
The cars are apples and oranges. One thing you can do with the C7 is drive it 3000 miles across the country and not have it devalue by $10,000. Ferrari owners are their own worst enemy. The are so picky on things that shouldn't matter that they consider a car having "high mileage" anything near 10,000 miles. Stupid.
The 458 is a great car but it is not perfect. The AC, Radio, and Nav suck for example. The interior wears if you only look at it. It attracts too much attention from people you don't want attention from. The options are just stupid crazy ($3500 for electric seats, 3300 for Nav plus 2000 for the Sat antenna, 6000 for the Carbon fibre dash, even 900 for a stupid Ipod cable. Those little yellow shields on the side --- $1800)
On the other hand, the sound and fury it delivers at 9 grand is mind blowing. The shifting is lighting fast. And the looks are somewhere between Sophia Loren in the 60's and Kate Upton.
The C7 looks like a great daily driver. The 458 just isn't.
The cars are apples and oranges. One thing you can do with the C7 is drive it 3000 miles across the country and not have it devalue by $10,000.
Ferrari owners are their own worst enemy. The are so picky on things that shouldn't matter that they consider a car having "high mileage" anything near 10,000 miles. Stupid.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,592
Likes: 959
From: Palm Harbor not far from Sebring Florida
St. Jude Donor '11
Oldtimer
Two great cars. Both are excellent performance machines, They are close in performance numbers, but the 458 will all run the C7 all day long. it is said to do 0-60 in 3.0 and in the Spider it is 3.3. As far as track times it will depend on the driver and the conditions of the track when the run is done. The C7 was not able to keep up with the F12 and it is not the performance machine that the 458 is. But when you compare the price difference, I think many a Ferrari owner will be impressed with what the C7 can do and at a price that is a quarter of what you would pay for the 458.
i wonder just how many on here would select the C7 over the 458 if we all had unlimited funds to spend. I know I for one would be in the 458. in fact i have a frind with a new California and I told him my pocket book drives a Corvette, but my heart drives a Ferrari.
i wonder just how many on here would select the C7 over the 458 if we all had unlimited funds to spend. I know I for one would be in the 458. in fact i have a frind with a new California and I told him my pocket book drives a Corvette, but my heart drives a Ferrari.
Last edited by BWF07; Nov 5, 2013 at 03:48 PM.
Race Director
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 12,375
Likes: 406
From: Florida
Just gorgeous Sin. Has the maintenance improved? I loved my 355 but got sick of the dealer visits - I suppose if you have to ask...
One day, I'll have a 458, but I'll shop used. Can't get comfortable with the idea of dropping $250+K, only to get t-boned by an escalade on the way home, which would just be my sort of luck.
One day, I'll have a 458, but I'll shop used. Can't get comfortable with the idea of dropping $250+K, only to get t-boned by an escalade on the way home, which would just be my sort of luck.
Instructor
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 191
Likes: 2
I HATE comparing modded cars to stock ones, but perhaps the price difference is big enough to entertain the argument.
A heads/Cam Full exhaust certainly approaches the sound thrill. I would imagine the speed would be close too.
A heads/Cam Full exhaust certainly approaches the sound thrill. I would imagine the speed would be close too.
Instructor
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 203
Likes: 0
Anyway this thread is about the c7. Don't get me wrong, I love the c7 and I've ordered one. I just think it's silly to compare it to one of the greatest automobiles in the world.
Ps has anyone seen the specs on the 458 Speciale?
597hp
2844 lbs
Tons of aero
Astronomical price (speculative)
Safety Car
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 4,875
Likes: 1,174
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!
Joe Kucinski
5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!
Joe Kucinski
2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!
Joe Kucinski
10 Things C8 Corvette Owners Hate (But Won't Tell You)
Joe Kucinski
10 Best Corvettes Coming to Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2026!
Brett Foote
Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)
Joe Kucinski
Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!
Michael S. Palmer
5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!
Joe Kucinski
7 Bolt-On Upgrades From Extreme Online Store to Level Up Your C6 Corvette
Pouria Savadkouei
Le Mans Master
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 6,671
Likes: 4,142
2020 C8 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
Just gorgeous Sin. Has the maintenance improved? I loved my 355 but got sick of the dealer visits - I suppose if you have to ask...
One day, I'll have a 458, but I'll shop used. Can't get comfortable with the idea of dropping $250+K, only to get t-boned by an escalade on the way home, which would just be my sort of luck.
One day, I'll have a 458, but I'll shop used. Can't get comfortable with the idea of dropping $250+K, only to get t-boned by an escalade on the way home, which would just be my sort of luck.
Actually, the cost or running them has been dropping with each model since the early 90's. The 458 requires only something like 19 hours of total maintenance over 3 years.
But the 12's come with this service free for 7 years. This model is a 2013.
If you buy used, buy a 12 or newer.
I ordered it with the racing package with full CF interior and wheel. The red stripes in the center of the seat is not a standard option on the list. It costed $1400. Stitching the red horsey logos in the seat costed $1200. Stupid.
Last edited by Sin City; Nov 5, 2013 at 05:51 PM.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 6,671
Likes: 4,142
2020 C8 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,636
Likes: 6
The price differential to a Ferrari isn't all about perceived quality. Much of it is due to differences in amortization over lower number of units. Ferrari's price might be 4 times higher, but its volume could be 6 times lower. While it shares drivetrain development with other Ferraris and Maseratis, these are all still very low-volume cars compared to where GM will be putting the SBC with which the Corvette shares its development (and upon which it depends for its outstanding objective bang/buck ratio): SUVs, trucks, Camaros, possibly high-end Cadillac sedans and coupes, Vauxhalls/Holdens in other markets, etc. You can bet that if GM developed a 9k rpm screamer for perhaps only 4-5k cars per year, they'll likely not charge only $60k.
Instructor
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
From: missouri
Maintenance FREE for 7 years.
Actually, the cost or running them has been dropping with each model since the early 90's. The 458 requires only something like 19 hours of total maintenance over 3 years.
But the 12's come with this service free for 7 years. This model is a 2013. If you buy used, buy a 12 or newer.
Actually, the cost or running them has been dropping with each model since the early 90's. The 458 requires only something like 19 hours of total maintenance over 3 years.
But the 12's come with this service free for 7 years. This model is a 2013. If you buy used, buy a 12 or newer.
Does the free maintenance service cover replacing brake pads and rotors with track use? The rotor cost scares me the most.
How much value would approximately be lost on a 2013 458 with just 24 track days after two years vs a garage queen?
Last edited by track junkie; Nov 5, 2013 at 08:48 PM.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 817
Likes: 34
The price differential to a Ferrari isn't all about perceived quality. Much of it is due to differences in amortization over lower number of units. Ferrari's price might be 4 times higher, but its volume could be 6 times lower. While it shares drivetrain development with other Ferraris and Maseratis, these are all still very low-volume cars compared to where GM will be putting the SBC with which the Corvette shares its development (and upon which it depends for its outstanding objective bang/buck ratio): SUVs, trucks, Camaros, possibly high-end Cadillac sedans and coupes, Vauxhalls/Holdens in other markets, etc. You can bet that if GM developed a 9k rpm screamer for perhaps only 4-5k cars per year, they'll likely not charge only $60k.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 334
From: Chicago IL
the C7 is a great car, the performance model is going to be better, that being said, C'MON MAN! no corvette,viper or any other car except lamborghni , and a few other exotics , can be compared.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,636
Likes: 6
No, it doesn't. But you're going to need more than one person's opinion to make that assertion. There is far from any consensus that the nav system is "garbage" or "sucks" on the Ferrari forums, for instance.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,526
Likes: 16
From: Mechanicsburg Pennsylvania
Not really apples to apples when the Corvettes are on cup tires and the 458 is on street tires.
Anyway this thread is about the c7. Don't get me wrong, I love the c7 and I've ordered one. I just think it's silly to compare it to one of the greatest automobiles in the world.
Ps has anyone seen the specs on the 458 Speciale?
Anyway this thread is about the c7. Don't get me wrong, I love the c7 and I've ordered one. I just think it's silly to compare it to one of the greatest automobiles in the world.
Ps has anyone seen the specs on the 458 Speciale?
lve2xlr8b - OH Man, that is THE weakest reply to joenationwide's post. The 458 comes with OE Maximum Performance Summer tires. If, as you profess, the Corvette "in no way compared to the 458 & a Z06 (only) takes it in a drag race", then 458 should blow away the Z06 on the Nurburgring on it's OE rubber, with ease.
I am appreciative of both cars - and I agree that they are apples and oranges in numerous ways. However the most comparable Corvette to the 458, the Z06, is a most valid competitor to the 458 in track performance.
Lastly, you try to simply dismiss the Ring lap time resluts and change the discussion by telling joenationwide "anyway this thread is about the C7", when in fact the Thread Title is C7 vrs 458.
Both cars are excellent. In many ways the Corvette more than holds it's own, imho.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 6,671
Likes: 4,142
2020 C8 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
If you track the car for a weekend, most likely you'll go through one set of tires and one set of pads. You're probably looking at 7-8 grand.
Advanced
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 61
Likes: 6
My three year old saw a C7 Corvette picture in a car magazine, and keeps insisting that it is a Ferrari. At night, when I saw a C7 behind me, the front lights look very similar to a 458.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,636
Likes: 6
Isn't a Z06 faster than a 458 on track?
Here are the top production car times for Nurburgring Nordeschelife
...
10. Nissan GT-R 7:19.10
11. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63
12. Dodge Viper ACR 7:22.1
13. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68
...
23. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00
Here are the top production car times for Nurburgring Nordeschelife
...
10. Nissan GT-R 7:19.10
11. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63
12. Dodge Viper ACR 7:22.1
13. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68
...
23. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00
Good to know. Opinion on fchat seems to be split about the radio. Some people like it, some don't. (Some have found a sweeter tonal balance by tweeking their iPod settings.) Some love the optional high-end system, others wouldn't pay that much extra for it. A lot of people with the Nav seem very happy with it, with the exception of those living in the UK where the system doesn't accept the longer postal codes. Hardly anyone describes the systems as "garbage."