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The only way to be certain is to remove or unplug these boxes.
Is there a GM mechanic out there who knows where they are located?????
Wish I knew where it is....
Those are sources with a high degree of accuracy IMO.
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Here's a one of many companies that specialize in crash forensics... http://www.crashforensics.com/automo...arecorders.cfm
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People are looking for a box to unplug, I think you should probably stop looking. My understanding is it's fully integrated into the cars computers, it's not a separate unit in itself (like the ones that are recovered from airplanes).
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And this is a more current document from Bosch of vehicles that have EDR's, shows up to the 2017 MY, including the Corvette. http://www.crashforensics.com/files/CDRVehicleList.pdf
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And this is from 2006, but it is a Q&A regarding EDR's from the NHTSA and it talks about all the things that can be captured with an EDR. A good read for those that are curious.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do..._11aug2006.pdf
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do..._11aug2006.pdf
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It's one of those things that can certainly set the record straight, good or bad. But I'm happy to have it there. Much like I use my PDR like a dashcam as much as I can remember. Told my wife, if something ever happens to me in that car, pull that card and watch the video. And for her to know I likely had a smile on my face regardless of what happened...
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I would be more worried of Onstar than the blackbox. I can definitely see value in having a blackbox where incase of accident, sudden acceleration (Toyota 
) etc. This can be retrieved for analysis. The Onstar data logging in the cloud makes me very nervous.
) etc. This can be retrieved for analysis. The Onstar data logging in the cloud makes me very nervous.
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I'd love to see all the video and audio recording happening as well and it was more like a true airplane data recorder where it was always recording and I could grab stuff myself if I wanted to. In that type of a situation I'd want it to be an Opt-In, but I would do it....
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And the libs laughed at President Trump about being spied on. Hell, a kid with puters skills could hack your smartphone and use the camera to watch what you're doing.
Not to mention if your home is integrated with tech that can unlock the doors. It's like having the front door wide open.
Not to mention if your home is integrated with tech that can unlock the doors. It's like having the front door wide open.
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I wish it was just paranoia bud, we live in a much different world than 15-20 yrs ago.. Just this morning, I came across this..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...h-history.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...h-history.html
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I'd love to see all the video and audio recording happening as well and it was more like a true airplane data recorder where it was always recording and I could grab stuff myself if I wanted to. In that type of a situation I'd want it to be an Opt-In, but I would do it....
Of course, commercial aircraft data recorders provide a much longer time frame prior to the event, and they record many more parameters.
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And the libs laughed at President Trump about being spied on. Hell, a kid with puters skills could hack your smartphone and use the camera to watch what you're doing.
Not to mention if your home is integrated with tech that can unlock the doors. It's like having the front door wide open.
Not to mention if your home is integrated with tech that can unlock the doors. It's like having the front door wide open.
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Yes, good point Foosh. It is a looping recording, but my understanding is that a triggered event like an Airbag deploy or frontal collision will commit the recording.
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I was under the impression that the Corvette's "black box" was an *accident data* recorder, i.e., an extremely short-loop overwrite operation -- only recording/preserving about 20 seconds of data immediately *prior* to an airbag event, and NOT a continuous, long term record of all vehicle data/parameters (such as an aircraft data recorder does).
*If* that is still the case with the C7, then it's not a 'black box' as most people think of it.
Did the C7 change to a long-term data recorder from the C6's short loop "pre-accident" action?
*If* that is still the case with the C7, then it's not a 'black box' as most people think of it.
Did the C7 change to a long-term data recorder from the C6's short loop "pre-accident" action?
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Yes, that's correct, but it has to be running continuously to get that 20-30 seconds prior to the accident.
Aircraft data recorders have evolved over the years I've been in the business to longer and longer record times, and more parameters.
Aircraft data recorders have evolved over the years I've been in the business to longer and longer record times, and more parameters.
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There are two different things being discussed here.
OnStar Smart Driver: That is an Opt-In program via OnStar that would do some continuous data collection on things like quick acceleration and stops along with other things.
Event Data Recorder (EDR), which is in most vehicles these days including the Corvettes. I'm not sure about the exact number of seconds, but it is a loop recording system that will commit a certain amount of data before, during and just after an accident event triggers it to do so.
OnStar Smart Driver: That is an Opt-In program via OnStar that would do some continuous data collection on things like quick acceleration and stops along with other things.
Event Data Recorder (EDR), which is in most vehicles these days including the Corvettes. I'm not sure about the exact number of seconds, but it is a loop recording system that will commit a certain amount of data before, during and just after an accident event triggers it to do so.
