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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 07:13 AM
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Could it be because the 2017 GS M7's do not have AFM valves.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 10:03 AM
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Where have you located your switch? I have tried a dozen ways and nothing seems to be right. I am researching some kinda adhesive for the switch but don't want to screw up the dash. Something that can hold and still be removed without leaving marks would be ideal.

I just lay it over the steering column and let it hang to the right. The switch has a flat cable and is the perfect length, keeping the Range module out of the way of everything. A small strip of Velcro should keep it secured. Currently I do not use anything to secure it.
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Originally Posted by Ed'sC7
Could it be because the 2017 GS M7's do not have AFM valves.
This has nothing to do with M7s. Only A8s.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by red 1
No my 15 would still get CEL's regularly with the latest version Range, Diablo I2030 tune took care of it by turning DOD/AFM off.
Just to be clear, that's an actual tune, not the Diablo rebadged Range device.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed'sC7
Could it be because the 2017 GS M7's do not have AFM valves.
I don't know why anyone would install this device on any M7 with or without AFM valves. On an M7, AFM only works in Economy mode.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 01:22 PM
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Ahh....I was offering up a thought. Didn't really now what this device was or did. I'll keep my mouth shut now.

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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 01:36 PM
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how is this company still in business? Their product is garbage! If you want to send your device in for constant updates with no guarantee of success,by all means send them your money.
Probably because they are for all GM vehicles with the AFM system, trucks included. From my little research other GM vehicles haven't had the CEL problem. Of course that is not a scientific study by no means.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
They should redo this device with either a manual switch built right into it, making it easier for people to turn it on and off, or they should set it up so that it automatically is off when the car is shut down and doesn't power up until about 15-20 seconds after the car is started. This alone could improve the reliability of the unit drastically.
If they did as you suggest, I'd buy one ASAP. The way it works now, I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed'sC7
Ahh....I was offering up a thought. Didn't really now what this device was or did. I'll keep my mouth shut now.
No reason to feel that way, you asked a legit question. The primary value of this forum is in helping folks learn about these cars. I was only providing an answer to your question.

Keep asking questions.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunder22
Just to be clear, that's an actual tune, not the Diablo rebadged Range device.
Yes an actual tune
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer
If they did as you suggest, I'd buy one ASAP. The way it works now, I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me.
I agree. The solution seems no better--maybe worse, than the problem.
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 01:44 PM
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I'm an M7 owner, so I have no dog in this fight, but there does seem to be some fairly persuasive evidence that AFM may play a role in all the A8 TC failures, because the TC is constantly modulating to keep things smooth between the V4/V8 switch.

If that proves to be the case, then having the Range disabler could save you a lot of headache, especially if they can get it right.
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
I'm an M7 owner, so I have no dog in this fight, but there does seem to be some fairly persuasive evidence that AFM may play a role in all the A8 TC failures, because the TC is constantly modulating to keep things smooth between the V4/V8 switch.

If that proves to be the case, then having the Range disabler could save you a lot of headache, especially if they can get it right.
I will say that my entire car feels much better with the Range unit engaged. The trans, and the engine is much smoother without those little "grumbles' caused by the AFM system. And, using the switch to decrease the chance of any CEL's is not a problem IMHO.
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 02:49 PM
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I know there are many on this forums that have the switch installed. If you're car is pre-2017, and you have a newer version on it, then I would certainly try it for a while without the switch to see if you actually get a CEL. You just may not need the extra stuff....unless you really want it for some reason.

If you don't have the newer firmware, then send it in and get a free update.

If you do have a 2017, I'd still try it for a while, it seems that there are some out there that are not having the issue.

If you get the CEL, then you're options are to put a switch in. Manually insert it after starting. Or wait until the finally fix it....
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mountainears
I know there are many on this forums that have the switch installed. If you're car is pre-2017, and you have a newer version on it, then I would certainly try it for a while without the switch to see if you actually get a CEL. You just may not need the extra stuff....unless you really want it for some reason.

If you don't have the newer firmware, then send it in and get a free update.

If you do have a 2017, I'd still try it for a while, it seems that there are some out there that are not having the issue.

If you get the CEL, then you're options are to put a switch in. Manually insert it after starting. Or wait until the finally fix it....


I wonder if there are some out there with 2017 without problems? I have not heard of any.
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mountainears
No clue, but I have been following this for a while and it seems more of the people that are still truly getting CEL's are those with GS'. I could certainly be wrong, but it is the sense I'm getting.

Definitely something more of an issue with 2017's though....something changed in that MY, will be interesting to see if 2018's are equally plagued by them.
I think what is going on is most of the 2015 and 2016 cars that were getting CELs were corrected with firmware updates. I know I had to do that with my 2016. I purchased the Range from a forum member that was using it on a 2015 car. It worked fine for him. I had to send mine back to get an update to 8.1 and all is good. That will probably be the same with the 2017s and 2018s. There is some small item that is different from year to year.
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I think what is going on is most of the 2015 and 2016 cars that were getting CELs were corrected with firmware updates. I know I had to do that with my 2016. I purchased the Range from a forum member that was using it on a 2015 car. It worked fine for him. I had to send mine back to get an update to 8.1 and all is good. That will probably be the same with the 2017s and 2018s. There is some small item that is different from year to year.
Are you using your Range with or without a switch? I didn't want to have to plug and unplug mine so I installed a switch. Worked well and without any CELs until I forgot to turn it off and started the car with it on. I got a CEL and my tranny was locked in 4th gear. My car is a late June 2015 build but it is a 2016 model. I'm hoping that V8.4 will eliminate all CELs even if the Range is left on. If it doesn't I'll just deal with it. Like Rebel Yell the car drives better with the Range on especially around town. The AFM system just sucks big time IMO.
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Old Sep 17, 2017 | 03:52 PM
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Been using my 8.2 on my 2017, but have always used a switch. Didn't want to take a chance. Now I have forgotten to turn it off about 4 times, didn't experience a dead battery (car sat for a week) and have yet to get a CEL. Worth it to stay in V8 mode 100% time.
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Are you using your Range with or without a switch? I didn't want to have to plug and unplug mine so I installed a switch. Worked well and without any CELs until I forgot to turn it off and started the car with it on. I got a CEL and my tranny was locked in 4th gear. My car is a late June 2015 build but it is a 2016 model. I'm hoping that V8.4 will eliminate all CELs even if the Range is left on. If it doesn't I'll just deal with it. Like Rebel Yell the car drives better with the Range on especially around town. The AFM system just sucks big time IMO.
I use a switch. Don't get any CELs any which way I use it. Turn off before engine start, or leave on. Usually forget to turn off the switch when I leave the car. I drive it daily. It just works.
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I use a switch. Don't get any CELs any which way I use it. Turn off before engine start, or leave on. Usually forget to turn off the switch when I leave the car. I drive it daily. It just works.
Thanks. I plan to do the same except I don't drive mine daily but I do drive it regularly. I put it on a CTEK if I'm not going to drive it for several days. Need to remember to turn off my Range.
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