CD Player
Burning Brakes
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Over the years, I have sat in many meetings at OEMs concerning packaging of the interior. Believe me, every bit of space is precious. OEMs aren't going to give up real estate and for something a small minority of people want. They believe that the physical space and engineering time can be used for other things.
As LT1 Z51 has said, CD players are going away as new vehicles are developed. It's just a fact.
As LT1 Z51 has said, CD players are going away as new vehicles are developed. It's just a fact.
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When were those platforms engineered and released? I would bet they are all legacy platforms. The CD player in vehicles is going the way of the dodo.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ppear/2601827/
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...e-in-new-cars/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmci.../#797d92db2e88
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ppear/2601827/
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...e-in-new-cars/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmci.../#797d92db2e88
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In 2015, 17% of all the cars/trucks sold in the US didn't have a CD player. That leaves a ton of cars/trucks sold with a CD player.
But, they are slowly disappearing. Estimated to be down to 46% by 2021.
Last year the music industry managed to sell 141 million CD players. Seems like some of us still like to play our CD's.
But, they are slowly disappearing. Estimated to be down to 46% by 2021.
Last year the music industry managed to sell 141 million CD players. Seems like some of us still like to play our CD's.
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Not every Cadillac has one in fact most don't. The XT5 and CT6 never had one (the CT6 has an accessory you can buy). The ATS, CTS, and XTS no longer have one (they used to have one in the glove box). The Escalade has one because all K2XX trucks do.
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[QUOTE=Boiler_81;1596079204]When were those platforms engineered and released? I would bet they are all legacy platforms. The CD player in vehicles is going the way of the dodo.
Well, there's one "mod" you won't be seeing on any C7 and that's a CD player addition--they're not compatible and will not operate with the infotainment system used in the vehicle.
Well, there's one "mod" you won't be seeing on any C7 and that's a CD player addition--they're not compatible and will not operate with the infotainment system used in the vehicle.
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Also, that was in 2014. Last year, total album sales were around 200 million, and that included digital downloads. CDs were maybe 40% of that total.
Physical media is dead.
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Physical media will never go away, some people like the packaging, booklets, and such. This is why Vinyl also sells, because realistically the ONLY place you are using physical media is at home on your REALLY nice sound system.
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The CUE SW in the CT6 is HMI 2.0 just as the C7 (2016+). The HMI 1.2 in 2014 and 2015 is comparable to the CUE in the original ATS which also had a CD.
Stop saying it's the SW, it's NOT the SW, it's that the Corvette hardware lacks the expansion port.
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BUT, still, people have to have CD players to play those 141 million CD's they bought, don't they? What about the hundreds and hundreds of millions of CD's purchased during the past decade. Don't people want to listen to them also using a CD player?
I don't play CD's at home, but I do when driving my cars(especially on long road trips out in the boonies), and can't find a radio station that plays the music I like to listen to.
Having a CD player in a car is important to me. Not everyone that buys a new car is a 25 year old "techie" that refuses to listen to CD's. Plenty of us "old folks" buy news cars every year and a bunch of us have CD's that we want to continue to listen to.
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Thanks for the correction. I don't know why I typed in "players" as that was not what I was reading from a Google search.
BUT, still, people have to have CD players to play those 141 million CD's they bought, don't they? What about the hundreds and hundreds of millions of CD's purchased during the past decade. Don't people want to listen to them also using a CD player?
I don't play CD's at home, but I do when driving my cars(especially on long road trips out in the boonies), and can't find a radio station that plays the music I like to listen to.
Having a CD player in a car is important to me. Not everyone that buys a new car is a 25 year old "techie" that refuses to listen to CD's. Plenty of us "old folks" buy news cars every year and a bunch of us have CD's that we want to continue to listen to.
BUT, still, people have to have CD players to play those 141 million CD's they bought, don't they? What about the hundreds and hundreds of millions of CD's purchased during the past decade. Don't people want to listen to them also using a CD player?
I don't play CD's at home, but I do when driving my cars(especially on long road trips out in the boonies), and can't find a radio station that plays the music I like to listen to.
Having a CD player in a car is important to me. Not everyone that buys a new car is a 25 year old "techie" that refuses to listen to CD's. Plenty of us "old folks" buy news cars every year and a bunch of us have CD's that we want to continue to listen to.
Times are changing though. Have to improvise, adapt, and overcome. It's easier to buy music than ever before, and phones now have more storage than my first hard drive.
Now, I haven't had a CD in close to 15 years. Can't say I miss it. It's much more convenient now.
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I totally understand. In the 90s, I'd buy 1 to 5 CDs a week . . . probably had a collection of 1000+ I'd say, before most of them were "mislocated" during a move.
Times are changing though. Have to improvise, adapt, and overcome. It's easier to buy music than ever before, and phones now have more storage than my first hard drive.
Now, I haven't had a CD in close to 15 years. Can't say I miss it. It's much more convenient now.
Times are changing though. Have to improvise, adapt, and overcome. It's easier to buy music than ever before, and phones now have more storage than my first hard drive.
Now, I haven't had a CD in close to 15 years. Can't say I miss it. It's much more convenient now.
I'm not one to say we need physical media in a car, its a compromised environment with a poor sound stage to begin with. But digital music is not acceptable on a good sound system with good speakers in a room which has a good sound stage.
Music (and sound in general) is an analog medium, unlike movies (and vision in general) which only get better as they gain higher resolution and color depth digitally. You can't get the quality in digital sound. Can you get good enough? Sure, and I argue for the car a good enough sound is good enough. But when I'm sitting on the couch at home being immersed in sound, I want the best possible quality I can get.
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^^
At home in a properly designed room the best sound possible can be appreciated.
However, especially in a C7, just needs to be good enough to drown out the loud tire and road noise!
At home in a properly designed room the best sound possible can be appreciated.However, especially in a C7, just needs to be good enough to drown out the loud tire and road noise!
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Just like who watches DVDs now when Blu Ray has been around for 11 years or so.
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The majority of my collection is in lossless format, so the quality is no different than having it on CD.
I even have some files that are 24-bit/5.1 channel (from SACD or DVD source) that are higher quality than what you'd get on a CD.
As far as backups go, I have a server with all my music, and that streams to my mobile devices/car. The server has a backup, so I'm not really bothered by not actually having the physical media.
I did enjoy collecting back in the day, but I've got too much crap in the house as it is.
Music (and sound in general) is an analog medium, unlike movies (and vision in general) which only get better as they gain higher resolution and color depth digitally. You can't get the quality in digital sound. Can you get good enough? Sure, and I argue for the car a good enough sound is good enough. But when I'm sitting on the couch at home being immersed in sound, I want the best possible quality I can get.
The bottom line is, listening to a lossless file vs. listening to an actual CD is no different. The quality only degrades when you start getting into using lossy compression algorithms (like MP3).
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So you're happy with no physical backup of the music and the poorer quality of a digital only copy?
That said, backups get lost, but CDs get scratched. All else equal I do prefer having a CD copy, but stopped caring about 4 years ago I think.
Somewhere there's a padded room full of McIntosh customers who swear they can hear the difference between 256 and 320 kbps while driving in a car.
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Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt
I'll work off the assumption that you know CD is digital.
The majority of my collection is in lossless format, so the quality is no different than having it on CD.
I even have some files that are 24-bit/5.1 channel (from SACD or DVD source) that are higher quality than what you'd get on a CD.
As far as backups go, I have a server with all my music, and that streams to my mobile devices/car. The server has a backup, so I'm not really bothered by not actually having the physical media.
I did enjoy collecting back in the day, but I've got too much crap in the house as it is.Visual medium is also better in analog (film), so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. However, having movie projectors in the house is impractical for 99% for us.
The bottom line is, listening to a lossless file vs. listening to an actual CD is no different. The quality only degrades when you start getting into using lossy compression algorithms (like MP3).
The majority of my collection is in lossless format, so the quality is no different than having it on CD.
I even have some files that are 24-bit/5.1 channel (from SACD or DVD source) that are higher quality than what you'd get on a CD.
As far as backups go, I have a server with all my music, and that streams to my mobile devices/car. The server has a backup, so I'm not really bothered by not actually having the physical media.
I did enjoy collecting back in the day, but I've got too much crap in the house as it is.
Visual medium is also better in analog (film), so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. However, having movie projectors in the house is impractical for 99% for us.The bottom line is, listening to a lossless file vs. listening to an actual CD is no different. The quality only degrades when you start getting into using lossy compression algorithms (like MP3).
I’ve listened to SA-CD and I find them to be inferior to CD. Cleaner sound, sure, but sound in real life isn’t clean. It sounds fake, or manufactured. I like the imperfections you get on CDs and even more on vinyl as it gives you that authentic sound. On a good system I want that.
In regards to my physical media, I also have hard copies on 3 USB Sticks (2 for cars, one for backup), on a set of Blu-Ray R discs (backup), on my PC, on my iPhone, and in the cloud (again backup). I’m still worried (with 8 distinct copies) that I might lose something.
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Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
Actually, it's the garage talk app, which has nothing to do with Apple, but thanks for playing. I'm on an Apple device and the only way you can tell is my advanced level of grammar and intellect :-)Nothing intrinsically inferior about a "digital only" copy, so long as that copy is provided at a bitrate where humans can't detect the compression... until you lose it and Apple goes bankrupt, I guess. But I did download my whole library just to safe, and it's backed up. And that backup is rotated monthly into a safe and then into an offsite vault. So odds are my music is actually safer. I don't do that to protect music, it just happens to be part of my main backup plan.
That said, backups get lost, but CDs get scratched. All else equal I do prefer having a CD copy, but stopped caring about 4 years ago I think.
Somewhere there's a padded room full of McIntosh customers who swear they can hear the difference between 256 and 320 kbps while driving in a car.
That said, backups get lost, but CDs get scratched. All else equal I do prefer having a CD copy, but stopped caring about 4 years ago I think.
Somewhere there's a padded room full of McIntosh customers who swear they can hear the difference between 256 and 320 kbps while driving in a car.
I won’t even pay for iPhone apps. Because I refuse to be tied to their ecosystem. In my life I try to use a healthy mix of Apple, Microsoft, and Google as to not become reliant on any one ecosystem and company.