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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 05:31 PM
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I'm guessing Carlos' Chev. dealer/seller/salesman has already read his thread today. He/she may not have gotten the message from Carlos yesterday. So that's fair. I can't help but imagine they're hiding under their desk after reading how badly Carlos was treated. One or more people employed in the chain of GM Bowling Green to Carlos, really messed up here. I don't believe that Carlos' car was damaged after he left the dealership.
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 06:09 PM
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Tough crowd here today. Obviously the OP accepted delivery, but most here would have probably overlooked this damage as well. Not many get on their hands and knees and inspect every inch of a new car. Most accept delivery in good faith that a new car is not damaged. If damage is timely discovered, and it can be articulated that the oversight could have been reasonably made during PDI or delivery, then the dealership should remedy. Good luck Carlos
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 06:34 PM
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Unless you husband your soon to be very pricey asset, no one is going to do it for you. Perhaps if Carlos were to have done a more thorough "hands and knees" personal PDI, the damage would have been readily discovered. Or, maybe not.

Unless the selling sales dealer is readily willing and able to get involved in the valuable customer's loss, what are they really good for on an $80,000.00 +/- buy??

JALLEN4, makes a great point about "thousand/s of miles away dealers."


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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 06:36 PM
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Sorry your car was damaged. Hope everyone steps up and fixes it right for you.

This is not just a GM, nor a domestic car issue. The overall transport damage rate in the auto industry is 1 1/2%. When all Ferrari’s enter the U.S. (only one location in Baltimore), they have a facility there to repair transport damage, install custom accessories, etc.

They have several dedicated bays there just to deal with/repair transport damage.

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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 07:29 PM
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Huh, noticed you’re not a forum dealer here are you. You wouldn’t last a week here compared with the dealers we have here supporting this forum. I haven’t heard a peep from Mike Furman, or Tommy Thompson, or any other forum dealers come on here and whine about their bills or gripe about their customers support expectations for service. No, it’s clear to me “bud”, you are the one who doesn’t have a clue. The world is passing you by.
Well, bud, I understood it just well enough and took care of my customers just well enough to retire some time ago. So, you are right, I am not a forum dealer and had luxury brands for the last twenty years anyway.

My point is simple but obviously not necessarily popular with some folks here. If you read this forum constantly, as many do, there is a consistent theme of people complaining about dealers who did not sell them their car. Many of these dealers are either the courtesy delivery dealers someone found or a local dealer who they take their car to for service after buying elsewhere.

This forum is for profit and supported by a group of major Corvette dealers mainly from the East Coast. My hat is off to them as they do an excellent job promoting and selling the Corvette product and I truly think they do an excellent job supporting their customer. They have earned their reputation for the most part.

The problem comes in when people with no true knowledge of how the industry works thinks the only way to buy a new Corvette is to buy from one of these major dealers even though they are hundreds if not thousands of miles away. They then either attempt to find a courtesy delivery dealer or have the car shipped. I am here to tell you the easiest part of any sale is the deal and the hardest part is actually trying to give the service deserved to the buyer. If you don't think you are giving up anything when buying under these circumstances...you need to reconsider.

Time after time we see problems related to these situations and the ensuing argument that follows with long threads about the problem on this forum. Factually, if you don't get it that when you opt to buy the lowest price provider, although they may never see the car, you are at the mercy of a local dealer who "owes" you nothing! That is the way it is regardless of how you would like it to be or how you think it should be. Further, it is not going to change nor would it ever change if your own money was invested in the local dealer. So, bud, think anything you wish, many did before you and many will after!
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 08:00 PM
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The dealers don't care about your personal life any more than you care about theirs. That's as nutty as the /fruitcake that thinks he's more important than the next guy because he paid cash for his car. These are businesses. Nothing more, nothing less. If too many folks are getting burnt because they bought their new cars out-of-State, the red flags will go up. I already learned my lesson buying one rather pricey car out-of-State, then not being able to Lemon Law it in Texas, many years ago. My reluctance to buy my new Corvette out-of-State, was based in part on the Texas Lemon Law, and on exactly what member Carlos is being put through right now. Carlos doesn't know what's going to happen next. Not a lot of fun after spending the money he did.
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by smusk
My Grand Sport just arrived Friday and there is a big patch of fiber glass hoping on the rocker panel and bottom corner of the front fender. It was damaged on the car carrier. The scum bag truck driver never said a word but the dealer caught the problem before he left. Now I am reordering a replacement car. I won't buy a damaged car with 2 miles on it.
Dang, that’s too bad it’s a beautiful looking car but completely understand your position.

Did your dealer agree to reorder the car? If yes, you should give kudos to the dealer by letting us know who it is.
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
The dealers don't care about your personal life any more than you care about theirs. That's as nutty as the /fruitcake that thinks he's more important than the next guy because he paid cash for his car. These are businesses. Nothing more, nothing less. If too many folks are getting burnt because they bought their new cars out-of-State, the red flags will go up. I already learned my lesson buying one rather pricey car out-of-State, then not being able to Lemon Law it in Texas, many years ago. My reluctance to buy my new Corvette out-of-State, was based in part on the Texas Lemon Law, and on exactly what member Carlos is being put through right now. Carlos doesn't know what's going to happen next. Not a lot of fun after spending the money he did.
Your case and Carlos’s situation are the exception and not the rule. I personally have bought 4 vehicles online out-of-state and have not had a bit of a problem. The fact is, whether you accept it or not is irrelevant, online purchasing of vehicles is the future of car buying. I see a day when somebody like Amazon will come along and anyone will be ale to order a vehicle online and have it delivered to their door within a week. You can’t let your limited experiences cloud the reality that many folks are buying cars online and they are having great experiences.
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Originally Posted by MMD

Your case and Carlos’s situation are the exception and not the rule. I personally have bought 4 vehicles online out-of-state and have not had a bit of a problem. The fact is, whether you accept it or not is irrelevant, online purchasing of vehicles is the future of car buying. I see a day when somebody like Amazon will come along and anyone will be ale to order a vehicle online and have it delivered to their door within a week. You can’t let your limited experiences cloud the reality that many folks are buying cars online and they are having great experiences.
I am one of "exceptions" that had a lousy experience buying out of state from a forum dealer and won't ever do it again. My frustration is that whenever I think I have learned all of life's lessons, I find another costly one that I must unfortunately learn.

Amazon goes out of its way to take care of all their customers by expeditiously refunding your money and enabling a painless return process. Can't see that happening with car purchases, can you?
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 06:28 AM
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Amazon goes out of its way to take care of all their customers by expeditiously refunding your money and enabling a painless return process. Can't see that happening with car purchases, can you?
Absolutely ! This is definitely coming. A car is nothing more than a purchased commodity like most anything else. Televisions, dishwashers, furniture it doesn’t matter. Find in on Amazon, order it, it ships, 2 week trial, if you like it you keep it and can even arrange a payment schedule. This is where the entire world is headed. The days of the big box and the monopolies at dealerships, especially the ones that still want to haggle price and not provide good customer service are over. We are in a Internet world now. I have made 4 online out-of-state purchases over the past 8 years and have not had any problems. I used my own shippers with enclosed trucks. I am soon going to purchase a Corvette online from a forum dealer and go the Museum route and I think this experience will probably be my best experience yet. I have no reluctance whatsoever in purchasing a vehicle online. I think most people’s online auto purchase experiences are generally good. The ones we hear about mostly are the bad experiences. When people have good online purchases they don’t often enough get online and gush about it.

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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlos Thomas
Question: I had my 2019 Corvette Grand Sport delivered yesterday to a courtesy dealer. Looked over everything and it looked good. Today, I detailed the car and I noticed damage to the left rear panel in front of the wheel. What advice would you have for me?




That looks a whole lot like damage from transport: someone routed a hold down strap across the non-structural end of the rocker panel or fender (whichever that is). You can see the rub mark with the paint completely worn through at either side of where the strap was routed.

The repair should be paid by the transport company. It doesn't look major and is an area you won't usually see.

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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MMD
Absolutely ! This is definitely coming. A car is nothing more than a purchased commodity like most anything else. Televisions, dishwashers, furniture it doesn’t matter. Find in on Amazon, order it, it ships, 2 week trial, if you like it you keep it and can even arrange a payment schedule. This is where the entire world is headed. The days of the big box and the monopolies at dealerships, especially the ones that still want to haggle price and not provide good customer service are over. We are in a Internet world now. I have made 4 online out-of-state purchases over the past 8 years and have not had any problems. I used my own shippers with enclosed trucks. I am soon going to purchase a Corvette online from a forum dealer and go the Museum route and I think this experience will probably be my best experience yet. I have no reluctance whatsoever in purchasing a vehicle online. I think most people’s online auto purchase experiences are generally good. The ones we hear about mostly are the bad experiences. When people have good online purchases they don’t often enough get online and gush about it.
I could easily see myself buying online. I would probably just go get the car and drive it back though. Not because shipping isn't a good option, but because id be so excited to get the car, that I wouldn't want to wait an extra few days.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 09:32 AM
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Hate to see that. Should have been caught during PDI by a competent service tech.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PatternDayTrader
Looks like shipping damage to me.
looks like transportation damage if the dealer caught it on ck in they have a claim for it, if not it will be on their dime and being a CD they may not take care of it.
But my guess is GM will bow out
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 12:18 PM
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Any Updates? Did I miss the end result?

I do not like the dealer model. I always feel like I am getting knifed for there amusement.

I also feel knifed at the service department.

I feel it's a old relic that needs improvment.

Let's hope Tesla can get it right.

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Originally Posted by JALLEN4
I never once heard the factory discuss courtesy deliveries either but I guess all of us just didn't understand.
And it shows in the way older dealer principals handle it, too. Which is to say, poorly.

If a dealer had a brain they'd realize they're getting a last chance access to a customer that completely bypassed them. This is a customer who actually NEEDED your dealership services but couldn't be convinced to buy a car from YOU.

So, you could then up your game and win that customer over so that next time, they actually buy from you directly.

Or you could treat it as an unprofitable inconvenience and do a terrible job at it. I have a hunch on that one...

I just ordered a Tesla, it'll be interesting to see how my Tesla experience stacks up against my Chevrolet and Cadillac experiences. The evaluation was no contest... they gave me their top model (P100D) for an afternoon and when we still weren't sure they sent us home with it for the whole weekend, after which we ordered one. Not like Chevy will let me evaluate a ZR1 for the weekend (nor do I expect it, buy my point stands).

My wife also ordered a new Escalade ESV which was supposed to be delivered on Saturday. No car, no phone call, no email, and here it is monday morning. Nothing. I'm surprised some of these guys stay in business at all.

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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by WoodyP
Any Updates? Did I miss the end result?

I do not like the dealer model. I always feel like I am getting knifed for there amusement.
The latest update here on Monday, March 26 from the courtesy dealer: “Good morning- my service manager is out today- I will get back to you tomorrow-thanks.”
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The latest update here on Monday, March 26 from the courtesy dealer: “Good morning- my service manager is out today- I will get back to you tomorrow-thanks.”
Hey Carlos. Why doesn’t the message say “he will get back to you” instead of “I will get back to you”. It’s apparent the person that called is unable to help you or he would of squared away this situation right then. You don’t want to speak to him again. You want the service manager. Hope I am not reading to much into this but many people would suspect this to be a “Freudian slip” of the tongue which would not be a good sign. Hope things will work out. Just make sure when they call back tomorrow that you speak with only the service manager. Good luck.
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Absolutely ! This is definitely coming. A car is nothing more than a purchased commodity like most anything else. Televisions, dishwashers, furniture it doesn’t matter. Find in on Amazon, order it, it ships, 2 week trial, if you like it you keep it and can even arrange a payment schedule. This is where the entire world is headed. The days of the big box and the monopolies at dealerships, especially the ones that still want to haggle price and not provide good customer service are over. We are in a Internet world now. I have made 4 online out-of-state purchases over the past 8 years and have not had any problems. I used my own shippers with enclosed trucks. I am soon going to purchase a Corvette online from a forum dealer and go the Museum route and I think this experience will probably be my best experience yet. I have no reluctance whatsoever in purchasing a vehicle online. I think most people’s online auto purchase experiences are generally good. The ones we hear about mostly are the bad experiences. When people have good online purchases they don’t often enough get online and gush about it.
Ah...misguided and uninformed youth! I bought my first Ford store in 1976. I had friends who cautioned me to be careful with my investment as Sears, Penny's, and Walmart were the car dealers of the future. Then, it was the popular prediction of the times. Times are changing! Forty plus years later Sears and Penny's are almost gone, dealers are doing better today than ever, and I am long retired!
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Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
And it shows in the way older dealer principals handle it, too. Which is to say, poorly.

If a dealer had a brain they'd realize they're getting a last chance access to a customer that completely bypassed them. This is a customer who actually NEEDED your dealership services but couldn't be convinced to buy a car from YOU.

So, you could then up your game and win that customer over so that next time, they actually buy from you directly.

Or you could treat it as an unprofitable inconvenience and do a terrible job at it. I have a hunch on that one...

I just ordered a Tesla, it'll be interesting to see how my Tesla experience stacks up against my Chevrolet and Cadillac experiences. The evaluation was no contest... they gave me their top model (P100D) for an afternoon and when we still weren't sure they sent us home with it for the whole weekend, after which we ordered one. Not like Chevy will let me evaluate a ZR1 for the weekend (nor do I expect it, buy my point stands).

My wife also ordered a new Escalade ESV which was supposed to be delivered on Saturday. No car, no phone call, no email, and here it is monday morning. Nothing. I'm surprised some of these guys stay in business at all.
Many dealers actually realize that they don't want the second chance at a guy so desperate as to buy a car from thousands of miles away and then stupid enough to think the local dealer actually cares if he gets service or not!

And, that is not an age thing but rather a dollars and cents thing.
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