and you can't tape over that.
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Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '13
I know all about PPF so your vid was not necessary. You need to go to a race track sometime. Many racers will use Trak Tape or Track Armour or similar products. Painter's tape offers more protection than PPF as it is thicker and you can easily do multiple layers in high impact areas. PPF is better for city driving. You're crazy if you think Expel is great for a race track or even for long trips. It's OK for small pebbles and sand blasting not chunks of tire debris, car debris, and stones. It has it's limitations. Stop drinking the kool-aid of slick marketing otherwise you'll be disappointed some day.
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I know all about PPF so your vid was not necessary. You need to go to a race track sometime. Many racers will use Trak Tape or Track Armour or similar products. Painter's tape offers more protection than PPF as it is thicker and you can easily do multiple layers in high impact areas. PPF is better for city driving. You're crazy if you think Expel is great for a race track or even for long trips. It's OK for small pebbles and sand blasting not chunks of tire debris, car debris, and stones. It has it's limitations. Stop drinking the kool-aid of slick marketing otherwise you'll be disappointed some day.
You certainly take the cake for being an absolutely clueless ***.
How about Streets of Willow?
Maybe you'd prefer Willow Springs?
A little more of Streets
A walk down memory lane at Pacific Raceways
Auto Club Speedway
Not to mention Heartland Park, Hallet Motor Racing Circuit, Putnam Park, Gateway International, Bremerton, Spokane, Buttonwillow, and a host of others. Oh by the way....I instruct for NASA, BMW, PCA, Extreme Speed, Speed Ventures, and others. I have a little track time under my belt over the last 20 years hot rod..
Guess what.....the PPF on the '96 GS and the 2013 GS held up as advertised.....for YEARS. I'm sure the Xpel.....not Expel, at least learn the name of the product you want to criticize...will hold up equally well on the 2019 Grand Sport. The fact that some people use tape doesn't mean it works any better....it's simply cheaper.
Run along and spew your fake news somewhere else and perhaps pull your head out of your rear while you're at it.
Last edited by 96GS#007; Dec 19, 2018 at 12:05 AM.
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You certainly take the cake for being an absolutely clueless ***.Not to mention Heartland Park, Hallet Motor Racing Circuit, Putnam Park, Gateway International, Bremerton, Spokane, Buttonwillow, and a host of others. Oh by the way....I instruct for NASA, BMW, PCA, Extreme Speed, Speed Ventures, and others. I have a little track time under my belt over the last 20 years hot rod..
Guess what.....the PPF on the '96 GS and the 2013 GS held up as advertised.....for YEARS. I'm sure the Xpel.....not Expel, at least learn the name of the product you want to criticize...will hold up equally well on the 2019 Grand Sport. The fact that some people use tape doesn't mean it works any better....it's simply cheaper..
TrakTape was developed largely to protect clear bras! When you get a nasty scar in a clear bra (such as Xpel, SunTek), there is nothing you can do. At least you can touch up a chip in the paint. You can't touch up a PPF. Some race rats will use 3 and 4 layers of TrakTape especially in high impact areas. Since TrakTape is 5 mils thick that is 15-20 mils of protection. Clear Bras are right about 8 mils thick so TrakTape can give you 2 times or greater protection. And another thing that is so good about these temporary tapes is you can apply heavier layers (multi-layers) selectively so you can put the most protection were you want it. A clear bra only has a uniform thickness everywhere. When you get home from the track you just peel it off. The clear bra, if you have one, remains on the vehicle untouched. There are huge differences in price between an installed PPF and a temporary high protection film you buy in bulk. You don't pay for labor as you are doing the install.
Here you go. Take a look at these pics. Left (at the end of a track session), Right (peeling off the bugs and debris at home). Are you saying there is no need for this? You are a loon if you do. Stock PPFs do not offer as much protection on high debris road surfaces (such as what you find at the track) as these temporary films do. Remember you are going at speeds in excess of 100 MPH. You need added protection. That's why this product class is sold. You can buy this stuff in bulk and install it yourself quickly. No taking it to a detailer/film installer and wait a day for installation. Maybe someday you'll take you head out of your butt and learn something from others who know a heck of a lot more than you do.
Burning Brakes
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From: Colorado
You've mentioned Trakktape in previous posts, and that's pretty good stuff, yet daily drive on long trips with ^^that. Painters tape protection?! No, you certainly don't impress anyone, but that takes stupidity to the level 10. What's the point of having a beautiful Corvette?
Safety Car
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That's all fine and dandy. But what's so special or delicate about corvette paint? Is it something other than the normal basecoat/clearcoat just like on every other car made today? Seriously, you drive around like that?! Blows my mind. Do you tailgate loaded dump trucks for hundreds of miles or what? Live next to a mine of some sort?
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blah blah blah
Lastly...Xpel is 8 mil thick. Do your research.Off to the ignore list you go. Zero value from your posts, except the mild entertainment value.
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You've mentioned Trakktape in previous posts, and that's pretty good stuff, yet daily drive on long trips with ^^that. Painters tape protection?! No, you certainly don't impress anyone, but that takes stupidity to the level 10. What's the point of having a beautiful Corvette?
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What an idiot. I get that you have an agenda but whatever. Personally I don’t care if someone wants to use tape. It saves money for occasional track days or commutes. It does not protect all day every day. Too bad your “view” is 20 years old and hopelessly outdated. Btw....know where else PPF is used? Helicopter rotor blades to protect the edges. I can just see a chopper flying around with masking tape
Lastly...Xpel is 8 mil thick. Do your research.Off to the ignore list you go. Zero value from your posts, except the mild entertainment value.
Burning Brakes
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Amazing. You just simply don't get it. The simple reason I and many other Corvette owners do this "TEMPORARILY" is so we can preserve our Corvettes and other vehicles and keep their beauty and potential resale value. Did you see the word "TEMPORARILY"? Is that too difficult for you too comprehend? Geez.
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Instructor
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From: Jacksonville, Florida
bra
As the op, thanks for all of your input. The car is in the shop as we speak getting xpel on the bumper, fenders, hood, mirrors, and A pillars. Also CeramicPro at the same time. I may still use some trak tape at autox's and track days. Not sure about tape for trips, but I can definitely see it's merits. Not my cup of tea, but we are all fanatics about our cars and whatever someone does to protect their car is fine by me. I'm sure there are PLENTY of people out there who think that because I just spent over two grand on paint protection I must be an idiot. Perhaps I am, but I'm an idiot with a Corvette. Just like all of you. Happy Holidays!!
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Yup, you are absolutely right. I do not get it, temporary or not. I love this though: "...I and many other Corvette owners do this...". Besides seeing protection tape applied to newly minted Corvettes cars on a truck, arrivals at dealers, or at a shop? No, I have never, ever seen another person do this to their car (regardless of make).
https://www.xpel.com/search?keywords=tracwrap
https://www.trackarmour.com
https://www.trakktape.com
https://www.autozone.com/landing/pag...der-spray-film
Also, check out this post by 96GS#007 who posted it recently (Oct 4, 2018) in another thread. He is the guy who had his butt hurt earlier regarding using temporary paint protection. You'll enjoy this. Seems a little hypocritical no?
If you don't want to pay for paint protection film but still need to occasionally protect the paint on road trips, use Xpel Track Wrap. Easy to install and peel off.
Last edited by MMD; Dec 19, 2018 at 12:40 PM.
Racer
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I recommend Xpel, and do it before you put on many more miles.A rock chip on a Sebring Orange hood shows up BLACK and is very noticeable. (Ask me how I know) I had xpel installed on hood, bumper, fenders and rocker panels. I love it, and plan on going the extra step with ceramic as soon as I can. The shop who installed it (Auto Armour in San Diego) was working on an older Porsche while I was there. I have never seen a deeper shine.
Burning Brakes
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Has anyone ever used Road Warrior temporary protection? It's a thick liquid applied by a roller that dries clear. Can be removed by a power washer. I am making a 1200 trip looking for some protection.
I seem to remember some posts here on this product in the past.
Thanks for any help.
I seem to remember some posts here on this product in the past.
Thanks for any help.
Safety Car
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Has anyone ever used Road Warrior temporary protection? It's a thick liquid applied by a roller that dries clear. Can be removed by a power washer. I am making a 1200 trip looking for some protection.
I seem to remember some posts here on this product in the past.
Thanks for any help.
I seem to remember some posts here on this product in the past.
Thanks for any help.
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From: Earleton Fl
Coating
I recently had my 2017 ZO6, WGGM professionally ceramic coated with the Gtechniq CS product. The shop had the car for 4 days, washed it, clay bared it, then the coating. Both inside, and the outside, glass and in the engine area.
It makes the color just POP out! It has much, much, more depth then before the coating! Dirt comes off much easier! It does not water spot after a rain. It was expensive, but worth the money!
It makes the color just POP out! It has much, much, more depth then before the coating! Dirt comes off much easier! It does not water spot after a rain. It was expensive, but worth the money!
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I’m not judging anyone that’s had their vehicle coated. My only thought.....what will it look like in 5 years? What climate impacts will we see regionally (AZ, MI, TX, FL)? It will be interesting to see...........