Notices
C7 General Discussion General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Alignment required?

 
Old 06-12-2019, 02:43 PM
  #1  
skrupski
CF Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Posts: 86
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default Alignment required?

My 19 GS M7 is in for a rear main seal at 1300 miles. Rear cradle has to come out. Does GM recommend an alignment after reassembly? Dealer says not required as the pieces they take off are not adjustable. I thought I had read differently. Thanks for the input.
skrupski is offline  
The following users liked this post:
GeoGS (06-12-2019)
Old 06-12-2019, 06:27 PM
  #2  
JerryU
2017 GS, M7, 2.5LT
Support Corvetteforum!
 
JerryU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 13,462
Received 2,918 Likes on 2,137 Posts
Default

^^^
Hmm, that assembly has all the adjustments. Odds of it going back exactly as it was would not appear 100% to me. Why not, it's cheap on their part and should through it in!

Last edited by JerryU; 06-12-2019 at 06:28 PM.
JerryU is online now  
The following users liked this post:
Vegas1500 (06-12-2019)
Old 06-12-2019, 06:31 PM
  #3  
RichieRichZ06
Supporting Vendor
 
RichieRichZ06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2005
Location: Supporting the Corvette Community at Abel Chevrolet in Rio Vista, CA 707-374-6317 Ext.123
Posts: 13,911
Received 484 Likes on 285 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

Originally Posted by skrupski View Post
My 19 GS M7 is in for a rear main seal at 1300 miles. Rear cradle has to come out. Does GM recommend an alignment after reassembly? Dealer says not required as the pieces they take off are not adjustable. I thought I had read differently. Thanks for the input.
We always check the alignment and confirm it didn't change after a repair like that. It's usually very close or spot on if the assembly is taken out correctly, but it's well worth checking for the customer.
RichieRichZ06 is offline  
Old 06-12-2019, 07:13 PM
  #4  
Avanti
CF Senior Member
 
Avanti's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: Bonneville Salt Flats, 223mph Aug. '04
Posts: 6,214
Received 710 Likes on 512 Posts
Default

Everything adjustable may be marked in advance, so they see no reason to bother. They wouldn't want to do anything not absolutely "required" even if sensible to do so.

Anyway, ALL the best!
Avanti is offline  
Old 06-12-2019, 10:44 PM
  #5  
Vetteman Jack
Moderator
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Vetteman Jack's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: Missouri. Currently own 2014 Stingray Coupe.
Posts: 270,922
Received 4,382 Likes on 3,786 Posts
MO Events Coordinator
St. Jude Co-Organizer
St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19
NCM Sinkhole Donor
CI 5, 8 & 11 Veteran

Default

I think I wold want it at least checked to ensure nothing changed.
Vetteman Jack is online now  
Old 06-13-2019, 12:35 AM
  #6  
SilverGhost
CF Senior Member
 
SilverGhost's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2005
Posts: 866
Received 326 Likes on 196 Posts
Default

You get one free alignment check on a new vette, to align to GM specs, which are politely referred to as "generous." nevertheless both my new c7's were out of spec from GM specs, and were fixed free of charge. You also get the before and after alignment spec with color coded before and after specs on the printout. Will be useful if you still have wear issues on the tires and need to show a different alignment shop where they are, and where you want the specs to be, like the dsc alignment specs. Request your freebie, and demand another given the disassembly/reassembly for the part that is being replaced, if you already did the first one.

Last edited by SilverGhost; 06-13-2019 at 12:40 AM.
SilverGhost is online now  
Old 06-13-2019, 01:37 AM
  #7  
Obe1 GS
CF Senior Member
 
Obe1 GS's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2018
Location: San Diego
Posts: 149
Received 26 Likes on 24 Posts
Default

Another vote to have the alignment performed. Even with out the repair chances are the alignment wasn't perfect from the factory.

Last edited by Obe1 GS; 06-13-2019 at 01:38 AM.
Obe1 GS is online now  
Old 06-13-2019, 01:48 AM
  #8  
Skid Row Joe
CF Senior Member
 
Skid Row Joe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2010
Location: Dallas, Texas - Make America Great Again!
Posts: 15,076
Received 1,233 Likes on 970 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SilverGhost View Post
You get one free alignment check on a new vette, to align to GM specs, which are politely referred to as "generous." nevertheless both my new c7's were out of spec from GM specs, and were fixed free of charge. You also get the before and after alignment spec with color coded before and after specs on the printout. Will be useful if you still have wear issues on the tires and need to show a different alignment shop where they are, and where you want the specs to be, like the dsc alignment specs. Request your freebie, and demand another given the disassembly/reassembly for the part that is being replaced, if you already did the first one.
This ^^^^.

Get that free 4 wheel alignment that comes with your new Corvette.
Skid Row Joe is online now  
Old 06-13-2019, 02:04 AM
  #9  
JerryU
2017 GS, M7, 2.5LT
Support Corvetteforum!
 
JerryU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 13,462
Received 2,918 Likes on 2,137 Posts
Default

^^
Joe, that is supposed to be done at around 500 miles. GM may not cover much after. And it is NOT automatic, suggest that anyone that want's it done (everyone should) just call at 400 to 500 miles (after the suspension has set) and say, cars feels like it's pulling slightly to the right (all cars pull to the right slightly due to road camber!) Lets the Dealer put that on his submission to have that covered by GM.

And suggest they do their homework and decide what you want. In my case at 450 miles (I did my own oil change at 500) I gave the service writer a spread sheet with the GM range min and max as well as what I wanted (within that spec range.) Good example was the rear camber on my Grand Sport is "within spec' from -0.5 to -1.7 degrees. All C7 alignment specs for camber are +/- 0.6 degrees or a range of 1.2! You can dive a truck through those specs.

When my GS was put on the Hunter alignment machine the rears were set at -1.6 from the factory- "within spec!" (OK if I was Tracking.) In fact only one toe was "in the red' and out a small amount. The dealer tech rightfully could have taken 5 minutes, fixed that toe and said, "all's fine!" BUT I asked for -0.8 rear camber and all toes close to centerline (about zero.) Took him ~45 mnutes to make the adjustments. It's a bit iterative as change the toe and camber changes slightly and visa versa. He got it dead nuts as I watched, at first from the open door in the service bay, my normal MO. Gave his a nice tip which I told him he'd get for a good job!

I signed the free work order that said "customer says....." Service Writer only cared that I gave him a good rating on the call, which I got from the dealer and did give him a 10!

Last edited by JerryU; 06-13-2019 at 02:20 AM.
JerryU is online now  
Old 06-13-2019, 02:23 AM
  #10  
Skid Row Joe
CF Senior Member
 
Skid Row Joe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2010
Location: Dallas, Texas - Make America Great Again!
Posts: 15,076
Received 1,233 Likes on 970 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JerryU View Post
Joe, that is supposed to be done at around 500 miles. GM may not cover after. And it is NOT automatic, suggest that anyone that want's it done (everyone should) just call at 400 to 500 miles (after the suspension has set) and say, cars feels like it's pulling slightly to the right (all cars pull to the right slightly due to road camber.) Lets the Dealer put that on his submission to have that covered by GM.

And suggest they do their homework and decide what you want. In my case at 450 miles (I did my own oil change at 500) I gave the service writer a spread sheet with the GM range min and max as well as what I wanted. Good example was the rear camber on my Grand Sport is "within spec' from -0.5 to -1.7 degrees. OK if I was tracking. All C7 alignment specs for camber are +/- 0.6 degrees or a range of 1.2! You can dive a truck through those specs.

When my GS was put on the Hunter alignment machine the rears were set at -1.6 from the factory- "within spec!" In fact only one toe was "in the red' and out a small amount. The dealer tech rightfully could have taken 5 minjutes, fixed that toe and said, "all's fine!" BUT I asked for -0.8 rear camber and all toes close to centerline (about zero.) Took him ~45 mnutes to make the adjustments. It's a bit iterative as change the toe and camber changes slightly and visa versa. He got it dead nuts as I watched, at first from the open door in the service bay, my normal MO. Gave his a nice tip which I told him he'd get for a good job!
That's great advice. Unfortunately, other than the free oil and oil filter changes, I totally missed my windows for free ****.

I was taking care of a friend 500 miles out-of-State for 5 months that had cancer, while my newly purchased C7 Corvette whiled away the months in my residential garage in Texas. I either drove my Class C diesel coach, or my '06 Mercedes Benz E320, CDI, turbodiesel sedan to and from Tennessee.

I also missed the Spring Mountain $1,000.00 dollar credit, as well as the free NCM entrance fee waiver. FWIW, I've already been to NCM FREE, 13 years
ago. I was passing through in my Class C diesel motorhome, when I saw the GM Plant on I-65, and I pulled off at the exit. Not exactly worth the price of admission. I was admitted free, as I was walking toward the door after they hit me with the ridiculous admission price. I would benefit from the Spring Mountain drivers training, but I'm not a wild ***, reckless street racer as you and many have admitted to being. So, no big loss either for me there.

My very first car was a brand new '74 Cadillac Sedan Deville I bought 45 years ago last month. I had my Dad give me a lift to the Cadillac dealer to pick it up. When I was handing over the $7,100.00 cashiers check to the sales mgr. my Dad requested they do a front end alignment on the new car because he explained that GM cars were known to be out of alignment from the factory.

Me and my brand new 1977 Corvette L82 in Omaha, Nebraska. $9,500.00 out-the-door.


The OP should press for a gratis 4 wheel alignment, as a Good Will gesture for the screwed up new '19 GS rearend. I certainly would. ..

Last edited by Skid Row Joe; 06-13-2019 at 02:37 AM.
Skid Row Joe is online now  
The following users liked this post:
JerryU (06-13-2019)
Old 06-13-2019, 07:42 AM
  #11  
Yaupon
CF Senior Member
 
Yaupon's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2015
Location: Oak Island NC
Posts: 695
Received 117 Likes on 102 Posts
Default

My dealer indicated that the "free" alignment had to be completed before 6 months of ownership or 7,500 miles.
Yaupon is online now  
The following users liked this post:
Skid Row Joe (06-13-2019)
Old 06-13-2019, 10:22 AM
  #12  
RichieRichZ06
Supporting Vendor
 
RichieRichZ06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2005
Location: Supporting the Corvette Community at Abel Chevrolet in Rio Vista, CA 707-374-6317 Ext.123
Posts: 13,911
Received 484 Likes on 285 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

Just to clarify, there is no "free alignment" period where any Corvette owner is automatically granted an alignment. GM will cover alignments only after 500 miles and before 7,500 miles with a valid concern that requires it to be checked. In order for GM to cover an alignment under warranty, before and after measurements have to be submitted with the repair order. If the before measurements do not show validation for a concern the customer had, there is no warranty alignment. If there was an issue with toe, caster or camber causing the customer's concern, GM will cover the time to make the necessary adjustments to correct the issue.

I am not sure where the free alignment idea came from, but we've had several customers regurgitate what they read on the forums, half of which is either wrong or just bad advise.
RichieRichZ06 is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Skid Row Joe (06-13-2019)
Old 06-13-2019, 10:39 AM
  #13  
Yaupon
CF Senior Member
 
Yaupon's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2015
Location: Oak Island NC
Posts: 695
Received 117 Likes on 102 Posts
Default

RRZ06, my bad, should have indicated "no charge" to the customer for the alignment. Service writer asked what the problem was when I had the car in for the alignment. I stated that my stingray pulled to the left [most roads have a slight crown to the right]. Service writer also checked the car's in service date to make sure it was less than 6 months, which it was. You are correct that a valid concern has to be present/stated regarding the alignment.
Yaupon is online now  
The following users liked this post:
Skid Row Joe (06-13-2019)
Old 06-13-2019, 10:47 AM
  #14  
Boxcar
Life Starts at 120 mph
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Boxcar's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2012
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 1,164
Received 18 Likes on 10 Posts
NCM Lifetime Member
NCM Sinkhole Donor
Default

I'm no expert, but to the OP, I'd say get the alignment done, peace of mind and tires are not cheap. My 2 cents.
Boxcar is offline  
Old 06-13-2019, 11:31 AM
  #15  
Skid Row Joe
CF Senior Member
 
Skid Row Joe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2010
Location: Dallas, Texas - Make America Great Again!
Posts: 15,076
Received 1,233 Likes on 970 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RichieRichZ06 View Post
Just to clarify, there is no "free alignment" period where any Corvette owner is automatically granted an alignment. GM will cover alignments only after 500 miles and before 7,500 miles with a valid concern that requires it to be checked. In order for GM to cover an alignment under warranty, before and after measurements have to be submitted with the repair order. If the before measurements do not show validation for a concern the customer had, there is no warranty alignment. If there was an issue with toe, caster or camber causing the customer's concern, GM will cover the time to make the necessary adjustments to correct the issue.

I am not sure where the free alignment idea came from, but we've had several customers regurgitate what they read on the forums, half of which is either wrong or just bad advise.
That's great advice too. ^^^^

But the fact remains that the alignment will be checked as you've stated, free of charge. The car may not need adjusting after the specs are recorded.

As for JerryU suggesting that you just tell the service writer that you're feeling the car's out of alignment? Well, if that's what it takes to hoodwink the Chev. dealer into checking it, then that's just the lies customers use to get it.

My new C7, didn't and doesn't evidence out of alignment symptoms while driving it. Is it in spec? Who knows. But I don't make up [email protected] just to get a free alignment check either. That's low life IMO.
Skid Row Joe is online now  
 


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Alignment required?


Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: