Because to some people its a car. I drove a 2006 GTO on winter tires for 2 seasons. It was a lot of fun. I wasn't keeping the car, and shockingly the fact I drove it in the winter did not hurt my selling price (now the 45k miles I put on in 2.5 years did). I had a Focus ST and it was a ridiculous amount of fun in the snow (on winter tires), so was my Saab 9-3 Aero. The Explorer ST was more sports car than SUV and it too with winter tires was a blast.

Performance is relative. I still toss around the trucks in the snow (especially in the neighborhood) for fun in the winter. If we get any sort of depth I love sliding around corners. I of course always check to make sure no one else (car or human) is around, I don't want to hit anyone.

Can you drive exactly like the summer? No, can you drive 80% like it. I do. My Ranger has the Blipshift sticker in the rear window that says....



Cause I am. Or so say Ford, GM, and the TRC (https://www.trcpg.com/) where I have/had certifications for track driving.

 

Those poor summer only tires are taking a beating.

< 40* bad juju.

Your $$$, your choice.

 

I don't know about the car value. If I were to PP sell, I would allow you to make as comprehensive an exam as you wish, more weight on a professional opinion of a mechanic with a rack. After the sale, we don't talk anymore. I delete my Google number. Since we switched to AWD vehicles, I haven't bought Blizzaks although I suspect it will be a potent combination.

I do practice every winter in snow covered parking lots so I don't forget how to handle it should I encounter slipping. That said, that part is something I do as a necessity but not something I enjoy. Some people like going on road tracks, other people like the quarter mile. While I gave up both, I do enjoy the quarter mile more. I do tone down how hard I hit the gas pedal as the temperature drops so for me "why not" becomes "why bother"? Wife's Cayenne, I estimate about 75% down but C7, definitely 50%. Maybe someday if I get the E-Ray, I might feel better? IDK.

 

For all the cars I've sold. Other than my C6 no one has ever requested a mechanic. Some not even a test drive. You're a buyer I'd feel most people would say, yea no thanks I'll sell to someone else.

The part about having a specific Google number to me that you delete after the transaction is hilarious. Usually its not the seller reaching out to a buyer, but rather the buyer contacting the seller.

Also in Michigan I am required to keep a photocopy of the signed title for 18 months in case there are any issues with insurance, registration and liability. So not only do I have your full legal name, I also have your address. Deleting your phone number is so LOL its ROTF.

 

I had an incredible experience with a dealer that sold an MB. When I arrived, car was already warmed up and I could jump in and go home. Over the next few days I noticed hard starting. Found out that the fuel lines were leaking and had air bubbles. Found the fix and brought it back to them. They confirmed the issues and said to make an appointment so they can get the right hoses. Asked them for the parts list and pulled out the right hoses. Got the car fixed that day and returned home instead of driving down again. Another case, he was hesitant to do a PDI. Offered me a lower price to quickly sell without making a PDI appointment. My scanner found the DTC codes were reset 2 miles and 0 warm ups ago. Waste of 2 hours. Unlike you, I have neither the skills to ensure all systems (which are many in cars these days) are all working nor the money to write off $50k cars because it's a PITA to fix. Sub $20k cars, I don't bother with a PDI. As I said, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. So, if you don't allow me to do it, I'm not so hard up that I need to worry about it. In fact, I prefer it if you reject it immediately so I don't waste my time on you. Most of the time, I have not had any trouble with PP sellers. Or I can pay more for it at a dealer, get the tax credit just as well. In fact it's smoother so no loss. PP is a last resort for me.

I got your money so why do I need to talk to you again? I've had a couple of calls from buyers whining about something being wrong and hoping to get some relief.

Oh dear. Stymied again. If only there was a way around it.

 

My point proven...my Vette stops better in winter than your AWD vehicle. Before you jump on that comment, yes I also have an AWD vehicle (with winter tires on it).

 

All the white stuff around me is almost all gone!! Woot

 

 

Good on you ^&right for being a good Samaritan; for helping the kid out and not leaving him stranded.

 

Yea the past 2 days I woke up to lower 40's Very unusual for SW Florida!
The Corvette loves the cooler weather though. By the afternoon it still got to 70

 

I am saying that the Blizzaks made a RWD vehicle better than with all Season tires. I am also saying that AWD made Blizzaks unnecessary. I would ASSUME you might be better off with BOTH AWD and Blizzaks although I have not done that combination.

Are you saying that your C7 drives better than an AWD vehicle if both are loaded with All Season tires?

 

Speaking of winter tires, years ago I used a LeSabre for work and mounted studded tires when the snow got bad. I frustrated many a 4x4 trying to pull away from a light with me. It was no contest and it never got old. 4x4 is great, but traction beats it all.

 

Honestly unless you are a dealer its hard to do a personal sale if the price is over $20k. People need loans, and they don't want to go to a bank by themselves, its easier to finance. So my experience selling cars is at the bottom end. If it's over $20k I just sell it to a dealer, they have equations, they don't care about the condition really.

 

^^^^ have you guys got Iguanas falling out of trees?

 

Lucky you!

We are not even close to getting rid of our snow.

It's going to be around for a very long time.

(-5 degrees outside when I woke up this morning).

 

It's freaking too cold. I washed the truck yesterday, because even though it was super cold I was tired of it being so filthy with dirt. I hate that Oakwood is under construction in front of Ford. It's a mess.

 

Trade in for a snowmobile with heating suit?

 

I have something that helps keep the weatherstrip supple and it also seems like it does not stick as much when I send the vehicles for a wash.

 

We only drive a Corvette on salty roads if we are headed toward a warm snowbird place, and I spend an hour or two washing everything, especially underneath, when we arrive. We used our C5 as a daily driver all year around in Chicago salt for 5 years/65k miles, the upper parts were still good and the bottom not too bad, but I felt like I was abusing the car.

Starting in cold weather will produce extra wear on the engine, but it seems tolerable. Note the temperature shown on the C6 screen below. It did take the coolant a while to warm up and the oil took longer but eventually it got there. That one was still running fine when traded at 102k miles,

 

If I drove it or anything in the winter, get a car wash with undercarriage wash and problem is solved. I do have a wash club so every week, I wash it or move if needed.

As long as it is running at trade in time, life is good. Beyond that, it's someone else's problem.