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Old May 27, 2014 | 05:37 PM
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That smoke is usually more expensive than magic

I would think the motors are pretty robust, seeing they are outside and have a 20 amp fuse running to each pair.

No 'description of operation' for the NPP or AFM valves in the service manual?
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That smoke is usually more expensive than magic

I would think the motors are pretty robust, seeing they are outside and have a 20 amp fuse running to each pair.

No 'description of operation' for the NPP or AFM valves in the service manual?
I'll dig around - just been so damned busy lately on this case.
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Old May 27, 2014 | 05:59 PM
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I'll dig around - just been so damned busy lately on this case.
No big deal, no hurry for me

I'm going to look around and see if I can find an actuator to play with. Wonder if its a Corvette only part, maybe the '14 trucks with AFM use them..
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Old May 27, 2014 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kp
No big deal, no hurry for me

I'm going to look around and see if I can find an actuator to play with. Wonder if its a Corvette only part, maybe the '14 trucks with AFM use them..
Part number for you is 22839592.

List is $380, Dealer is $280, Cost is... well... can't put that one here. You can find them for around $250 if you look hard enough.
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Old May 27, 2014 | 06:05 PM
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Oh, and just to save you a bit of time, that part doesn't cross with any other GM application/vehicle in the entire system. Bummer.
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Part number for you is 22839592.

List is $380, Dealer is $280, Cost is... well... can't put that one here. You can find them for around $250 if you look hard enough.
Someone posted the muffler assemblies came with the actuators and I can get them for around 600 a side new, which isnt bad if they do come with the actuators.

I'll probably wait for a take off NPP system to pop up..
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Originally Posted by kp
Just out of curiosity, onec you remove power or ground does it go back to the start position on its own?

I'll find an actuator eventually, I wouldnt want to burn up one of yours experimenting.
The muffler spring returns them.
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Old May 27, 2014 | 07:13 PM
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Before throwing in the towel....you have a lot invested already try one of these....it should work.


http://www.amazon.com/KEEDOX®-6V-90V...pwm+controller
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Originally Posted by kp
Someone posted the muffler assemblies came with the actuators and I can get them for around 600 a side new, which isnt bad if they do come with the actuators.

I'll probably wait for a take off NPP system to pop up..

I can confirm that. When the dealer replaced my NPP axle backs (tips misaligned from factory), both the AFM and NPP actuators (and the rear isolator) were installed out of the box.
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I can confirm that. When the dealer replaced my NPP axle backs (tips misaligned from factory), both the AFM and NPP actuators (and the rear isolator) were installed out of the box.
Cool, I may order me up a pair.
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Why not just pull fuse 41 and the valves are open all the time.
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Originally Posted by mkr1966
Why not just pull fuse 41 and the valves are open all the time.
Trying to get them to open and close on a non NPP car!
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Originally Posted by vetehead
Before throwing in the towel....you have a lot invested already try one of these....it should work.


http://www.amazon.com/KEEDOX®-6V-90V...pwm+controller
So I just need 1 or 2?
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Originally Posted by Rock'n Blue 08
So I just need 1 or 2?

1 should be fine,if it were me at that price I would get 2 just to make sure you have nothing funky going on with back feeding from one valve to another....remember you will also need a little project box to put the circuit board in as well!! You can find them anywhere including radio shack!.

I am going to assume you are ok with the wiring?? If not PM me after you get the module and I can probably put a wiring diagram together for you.I can get the original mild to wild wiring diagram as well.

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Originally Posted by vetehead
1 should be fine,if it were me at that price I would get 2 just to make sure you have nothing funky going on with back feeding from one valve to another....remember you will also need a little project box to put the circuit board in as well!! You can find them anywhere including radio shack!.

I am going to assume you are ok with the wiring?? If not PM me after you get the module and I can probably put a wiring diagram together for you.I can get the original mild to wild wiring diagram as well.

Ron
thanks I ordered 2! Get them the 19th!

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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 10:00 PM
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Okay, I don't think that the ECM and the CCM are general purpose but configured for the car as built.

So I don't think that NPP can be connected to a C7 system that didn't come with NPP.

And so again, I've emailed BB for a custom exhaust that mounts the C6 NPP valves. Really, all I need is a C7 Fusion muffler that mounts the C6 NPP valves. And then those C6 NPP valves could be worked with either a vacuum switch or with a driver's switch.

This idea of C6 NPP muffler valves being different from C7 NPP muffler valves is something we had to debate about a little but there's the idea
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Okay, I don't think that the ECM and the CCM are general purpose but configured for the car as built.

So I don't think that NPP can be connected to a C7 system that didn't come with NPP.
For now, that is correct - the MDI isn't letting us activate the valve learn on a non-NPP car.

Originally Posted by B Stead
And so again, I've emailed BB for a custom exhaust that mounts the C6 NPP valves. Really, all I need is a C7 Fusion muffler that mounts the C6 NPP valves. And then those C6 NPP valves could be worked with either a vacuum switch or with a driver's switch.
If they can't (or won't) do this, consider QTP or DMH low-profile cutouts. I use these on both of my other cars (even a DD) and they're awesome to have, especially being wireless.

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This idea of C6 NPP muffler valves being different from C7 NPP muffler valves is something we had to debate about a little but there's the idea
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Sadly, they're a lot different in that the C6 had a much easier layout.
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Originally Posted by kp
The PWM control may work, but I think its a stepper arrangement and if thats the case its not pwm but just a certain number of pulses to reach a desired position. Only thing about that is it would have to reverse polarity to the motor to go the other way, but it may just remove the ground to reset the motor and start over since its spring loaded.

Hard to tell without actually having an actuator though

This is straight out of Gm Techlink (all about C7) As I have said and the schematic indicates the signal from the CCM is PWM.....



An exhaust tailpipe flow control valve is installed in each tailpipe in the low restriction exhaust path of the dual outlet muffler, near the exhaust tip. (Fig. 6) When the tailpipe exhaust valves are open, the low restriction exhaust path is opened to the atmosphere and the exhaust note becomes more aggressive.


Fig 6

The Chassis Control Module uses pulse width modulation to control the actuator that opens the valves. To provide a more aggressive exhaust note when the vehicle is started, the valves are opened during engine cranking. There are four specific exhaust performance modes that result in different behavior of the valves:

• Weather/Eco Mode: valves closed at all times when the engine is running.
• Tour Mode: valves closed when the engine is idling and during normal/non-aggressive driving; open during aggressive driving.
• Sport Mode: valves open when the engine is idling and during most driving scenarios.
• Track Mode: valves are open at all times.

TIP: If engine sound enhancement is turned off in the Vehicle Settings menu, the valves will be put into track mode no matter which vehicle mode is displayed on the instrument panel.


Here is the link for your reading pleasure....

http://sandyblogs.com/techlink/?s=20...&search=Search

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