Is a 160 'stat available?
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St. Jude Donor '08
NASCAR, the pinnacle of automotive racing technology.
NASCAR went to fuel injection only 25 years after the automotive industry....wait, I thought street cars improve through racing tech, not the other way around....
Do you have any actual technological documented proof that higher coolant temperatures create more horsepower? Higher oil temps can make more power up to a point by reducing viscosity but coolant temps are better off as cold as you can get them.
Do you even race a car? You don't need a thermostat to get to Starbucks, on this point you are correct.
Heck I don't even go to Starbucks anymore because I don't want to catch diabetes and I hear they serve it up hot in every cup.
NASCAR went to fuel injection only 25 years after the automotive industry....wait, I thought street cars improve through racing tech, not the other way around....
Do you have any actual technological documented proof that higher coolant temperatures create more horsepower? Higher oil temps can make more power up to a point by reducing viscosity but coolant temps are better off as cold as you can get them.
Do you even race a car? You don't need a thermostat to get to Starbucks, on this point you are correct.
Heck I don't even go to Starbucks anymore because I don't want to catch diabetes and I hear they serve it up hot in every cup.
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you missed the point. nascar engine builders don't write the rule book.
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '08
neither do they install 160 t stats, totally do not understand the reasoning of how a t stat improves the effiency of the radiator and surrounding components. We all seem to have different ideas on the subject
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they don't choose the displacement or much of anything else and their operating temps are an effect, not a cause.
and yes I build my motors for my race cars since I missed your previous post. do you? don't make assumptions.....
this thread is about a lower temp thermostat being effective on a street car or race car that uses thermostats. the people who use them say they work. the people who don't use them can't see how they would work. people want to buy them and lots of companies sell them. I guess everyone is wrong then?
you're right, the world is wrong.....I hope that's not your approach to life.
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From: Texas Hill Country
NASCAR, the pinnacle of automotive racing technology.
NASCAR went to fuel injection only 25 years after the automotive industry....wait, I thought street cars improve through racing tech, not the other way around....
Do you have any actual technological documented proof that higher coolant temperatures create more horsepower? Higher oil temps can make more power up to a point by reducing viscosity but coolant temps are better off as cold as you can get them.
Do you even race a car? You don't need a thermostat to get to Starbucks, on this point you are correct.
Heck I don't even go to Starbucks anymore because I don't want to catch diabetes and I hear they serve it up hot in every cup.
NASCAR went to fuel injection only 25 years after the automotive industry....wait, I thought street cars improve through racing tech, not the other way around....
Do you have any actual technological documented proof that higher coolant temperatures create more horsepower? Higher oil temps can make more power up to a point by reducing viscosity but coolant temps are better off as cold as you can get them.
Do you even race a car? You don't need a thermostat to get to Starbucks, on this point you are correct.
Heck I don't even go to Starbucks anymore because I don't want to catch diabetes and I hear they serve it up hot in every cup.
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I did. IF you drive a C7Z look for yourself. Full 6,500 rpm redline suggested OK from GM when ECT gets to 165 f, and oil temp to 75 f. As conservative as GM has tuned the Z, with all the engine protection nannies that kick in to ensure they don't have warranty claims for 100,000 miles, do you really think they would suggest full rpm usage at lower than allowable operating temps?
Also, two quartermile runs, back to back in my C6Z. First at 180 ECT, second at 200+. Second run 2 MPH slower. That's roughly 20 HP lost.
Also, two quartermile runs, back to back in my C6Z. First at 180 ECT, second at 200+. Second run 2 MPH slower. That's roughly 20 HP lost.
Le Mans Master
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I would suggest you do a little research on who you insult. You seem to want to make it personal in most of your posts with most that challenge your opinion.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
I did. IF you drive a C7Z look for yourself. Full 6,500 rpm redline suggested OK from GM when ECT gets to 165 f, and oil temp to 75 f. As conservative as GM has tuned the Z, with all the engine protection nannies that kick in to ensure they don't have warranty claims for 100,000 miles, do you really think they would suggest full rpm usage at lower than allowable operating temps?
Also, two quartermile runs, back to back in my C6Z. First at 180 ECT, second at 200+. Second run 2 MPH slower. That's roughly 20 HP lost.
Also, two quartermile runs, back to back in my C6Z. First at 180 ECT, second at 200+. Second run 2 MPH slower. That's roughly 20 HP lost.
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From: Texas Hill Country
puleeez.
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If you knew anything about drag racing you'd know that MPH, and changes in MPH is more indicative of changes in horsepower, not driver skills. Now if I had said changes in ET your insulting response would have made more sense.
Two runs, back to back, changing only the ECT at the start of the runs eliminates as many variables as possible. But you know that, you're just too obtuse to acknowledge it.
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Pro
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I keep coming back because it is like rope a dope. It is totally worth the thermostat cost just to not hear the fan.
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The only thing I'm tired of is your continued stupidity. You've been spouting the same, wrong point of view since 2000, when we were both driving C5's.
If you knew anything about drag racing you'd know that MPH, and changes in MPH is more indicative of changes in horsepower, not driver skills. Now if I had said changes in ET your insulting response would have made more sense.
Two runs, back to back, changing only the ECT at the start of the runs eliminates as many variables as possible. But you know that, you're just too obtuse to acknowledge it.
If you knew anything about drag racing you'd know that MPH, and changes in MPH is more indicative of changes in horsepower, not driver skills. Now if I had said changes in ET your insulting response would have made more sense.
Two runs, back to back, changing only the ECT at the start of the runs eliminates as many variables as possible. But you know that, you're just too obtuse to acknowledge it.
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St. Jude Donor '08
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good one. guess I'll spend the rest of the day reflecting.
that means a lot coming from someone across the country on the internet who has never met me basing his opinion on an extremely short conversation revealing his presumptuous mentality.
so far you have called me a bag of hot air and an arrogant azz but you have not contributed any actual factual provable information to the thread. go back and look who has. got any more zingers?
that means a lot coming from someone across the country on the internet who has never met me basing his opinion on an extremely short conversation revealing his presumptuous mentality.
so far you have called me a bag of hot air and an arrogant azz but you have not contributed any actual factual provable information to the thread. go back and look who has. got any more zingers?
Le Mans Master
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good one. guess I'll spend the rest of the day reflecting.
that means a lot coming from someone across the country on the internet who has never met me basing his opinion on an extremely short conversation revealing his presumptuous mentality.
so far you have called me a bag of hot air and an arrogant azz but you have not contributed any actual factual provable information to the thread. go back and look who has. got any more zingers?
that means a lot coming from someone across the country on the internet who has never met me basing his opinion on an extremely short conversation revealing his presumptuous mentality.
so far you have called me a bag of hot air and an arrogant azz but you have not contributed any actual factual provable information to the thread. go back and look who has. got any more zingers?
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His conclusion probably based on the fact you get personal and call anyone who disagrees with you stupid and shouldn’t be posting responses. Since your bio is blank for all we know is you may be the head cashier at Albertsons with a lot of time on his hands cutting and pasting information.
my bio isn't blank, my job is not your business, but I do take it as another compliment that you think I could be HEAD cashier!
and as far as getting personal, I've been the one getting called names, not the other way around.
but the way, you might note the interesting fact that no one agrees with you.....get a clue.
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St. Jude Donor '08
good one. guess I'll spend the rest of the day reflecting.
that means a lot coming from someone across the country on the internet who has never met me basing his opinion on an extremely short conversation revealing his presumptuous mentality.
so far you have called me a bag of hot air and an arrogant azz but you have not contributed any actual factual provable information to the thread. go back and look who has. got any more zingers?
that means a lot coming from someone across the country on the internet who has never met me basing his opinion on an extremely short conversation revealing his presumptuous mentality.
so far you have called me a bag of hot air and an arrogant azz but you have not contributed any actual factual provable information to the thread. go back and look who has. got any more zingers?
Like you contribute soooooo much