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Old Jan 11, 2016 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chets ls3
oh please let us know how you like the hotchkis bars.. what is your setup now?

Im a MRC/Z51 and feel this car rolls much more than my c6 did.
I sure will! I'll post an unboxing thread tomorrow with pictures and initial impressions, and will definitely update it once I get them installed! I have a Z51 w/MRC.

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See here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1591304301

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Why not use GM T1 bars?
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 11:21 AM
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Why not use GM T1 bars?
I have no real info on them and have not seem them available for purchase separately yet. The price-point of the Hotchkis definitely didn't hurt either. If you have the info please feel free to share it and I'll get it added to my data post.

The best info I can find is that it costs about $3k, increases roll stiffness by 40% front & 20% rear, and also includes control arms and shocks. Pretty much all the threads and articles I found so far state the same info contained in the link below. Does anyone happen to know the bar diameters and possibly even weights?

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-stingray.html

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The kit is p/n 23336064. It comes with both bars, bushings, 4 shocks and 4 lower control arms and misc mounting hardware. The bars have these stickers on them and are probably available seperately p/n 22936510 and 20959434.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 11:52 AM
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Those appear to be the same bars stock on Z06 and Z51 with magride.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 3X2
The kit is p/n 23336064. It comes with both bars, bushings, 4 shocks and 4 lower control arms and misc mounting hardware. The bars have these stickers on them and are probably available seperately p/n 22936510 and 20959434.
Good info!

20959434 (front) - $492.44 - http://www.cultragfactoryparts.com/oe-gm/20959434
22936510 (rear) - $93.73 - http://www.cultragfactoryparts.com/oe-gm/22936510


The price difference between the two bars is very odd. So, you're looking at almost $600 for the bars, plus bushings for at least the front (according to pictures).


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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 3X2
Why not use GM T1 bars?
If you go back and read the 1st( op) of this thread you will see some of us waited 2 years and counting for the t1 package for c7. Sence GM played tickle tickle to long aftermarket bars showed up! I'm a GM man - but when in Rome!! Anyway, I am happy so many guys are trying everything out there, aftermarket and now GM T1's. Truth be told- the best c6's out there running National scca events are running aftermarket bars. There are still many questions about c7 t1 that are not answered. Where are the spring packages? Can/ will they retune mag- ride shocks? I seen the t1 has there own shocks for now, that setup looks great for base and z51 non mag cars but I'm counting on more soon!! I know retuning the mag-ride shocks is coming for all mag cars. It's a secret, lol
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by juanvaldez
Those appear to be the same bars stock on Z06 and Z51 with magride.
I agree on the rear bar part #, but the front bar part # appears different.

This leads me to believe the T1 suspension kit was designed for the base Z51 (w/o MSRC) cars.

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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 12:27 PM
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That's what it looks like. According to other posts the front bars on the Z06, Z07, Z51 magride and non-magride are the same. It could be that this front bar is totally different. I am also interested in what the part # is on the shocks. Bilstein makes two 46mm shocks for the Z51 the B8 ST and the B6 HD. I am wondering which one is on the Z51 stock and if one of the is in the T1 package.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by juanvaldez
That's what it looks like. According to other posts the front bars on the Z06, Z07, Z51 magride and non-magride are the same. It could be that this front bar is totally different. I am also interested in what the part # is on the shocks. Bilstein makes two 46mm shocks for the Z51 the B8 ST and the B6 HD. I am wondering which one is on the Z51 stock and if one of the is in the T1 package.
I called bilstein a few times asking just that! All they would say is GM tells them what tune/ valves to use and there b6 and b8 shocks are not the same as GM tune.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 3X2
The kit is p/n 23336064. It comes with both bars, bushings, 4 shocks and 4 lower control arms and misc mounting hardware. The bars have these stickers on them and are probably available seperately p/n 22936510 and 20959434.
You wouldn't have the GM p/n for the shocks would you?
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Per the stickers on the shocks, front 22873513, rear 22873509
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
I agree on the rear bar part #, but the front bar part # appears different.

This leads me to believe the T1 suspension kit was designed for the base Z51 (w/o MSRC) cars.
Yes, that number is just a mag ride rear bar number, the front new! Bar number I had back in June, dealers at the time could not order/ sell them
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 01:33 PM
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This is all great info to get sorted out. I'll update my data post with T1 bar info.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 01:48 PM
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Updated with more info!
Originally Posted by Kracka

***note*** The Z06 and Z07 use identical swaybars as the Z51 w/MRC.

C7 base Stingray
Front - 26.2mm (hollow, 7.85 lbs)
Rear - N/A
Rubber bushings

C7 base Z51 ($300)
Front - 28mm (hollow, 7.95 lbs)
Rear - 26.5mm (hollow, 6.9 lbs)
Polyurethane bushings

C7 Z51 w/MRC ($300)
Front - 28mm (hollow, 7.95 lbs)
Rear (Z51 w/MRC) - 31mm (hollow, ? lbs)
Polyurethane bushings

Hotchkis ($400)
Front - 32mm (hollow & fixed, 9.2 lbs) +35% stiffer vs. all Z51
Rear - 33mm (hollow & 3-way adjustable, 9.0 lbs) +20-70% stiffer vs Z51 w/MRC
Polyurethane bushings (reuses stock brackets)
Reuses stock end-links

aFe PFADT ($732)
Front - 35mm (hollow & 2-way adjustable) +??% stiffer vs. all Z51
Rear - 32mm (hollow & 3-way adjustable) +??% stiffer vs. Z51 w/MRC
Polyurethane bushings & CNC brackets
Includes heavy-duty end-links

LG Motorsports ($750)
Front - ??mm (hollow & 2-way adjustable)
Rear - ??mm (hollow & fixed)
+45% stiffer vs. Z51 w/MRC (for the set)
Polyurethane bushings (reuses stock brackets)
Reuses stock end-links
Optional heavy-duty end-links (+$245)

Chevy Performance T1 ($600)
Front - ??mm (hollow & fixed, ? lbs, +40% stiffer vs. all Z51)
Rear (same as Z51 w/MRC) - 31mm (hollow & fixed, ? lbs, +20% stiffer vs. base Z51)
Polyurethane bushings
Reuses stock end-links

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Originally Posted by 360Lemans
And yes agree LG sway bars rock!!

Well yes....yes they do!



The T1 stuff is going to be ok...but nothing like what you are going to find on the aftermarket front. As a big company like GM they still have rules and guidelines to stay within which is why even their "race" T1 package has rubber bushings in it. I do not recall the last time I had ever seen a race car with rubber bushings in the control arms that wasn't in a showroom stock class that just didn't allow anything other than that.

So why would it be any surprise that their sway bars are any different?
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthony @ LGMotorsports
Well yes....yes they do!



The T1 stuff is going to be ok...but nothing like what you are going to find on the aftermarket front. As a big company like GM they still have rules and guidelines to stay within which is why even their "race" T1 package has rubber bushings in it. I do not recall the last time I had ever seen a race car with rubber bushings in the control arms that wasn't in a showroom stock class that just didn't allow anything other than that.

So why would it be any surprise that their sway bars are any different?
I have been trying to find out the part numbers on the LCA's....I am guessing they are z06-07 lca....wondering why there is no springs with the T1 kit.
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Can someone post a link to the LG sway bar kit?

My 2014 Z51 had MRC, my 2015 Z51 does not, I truly do not notice much difference, but now it's in my head that my rear sway bar is smaller than I had before........

would I notice a difference switching to the FE4 rear bar???? any help/advice would be great. I also hear so many guys saying "if you don't have the mag ride", the car does not perform well" etc..........

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Old Aug 16, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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Google LG MOTORSPORTS G7 Swaybars.

I just installed them on my 14 C7 Z51 Callaway SC 627. Used my Quickjack 5000. Finishing touch on a fabulous package. No sway. Immediate razor sharp lateral response to match the instant accelerative and decelerative capability of this car. Highly recommend !!!
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Old Aug 18, 2016 | 06:31 AM
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2016 Z51 MRC, Stock rear would step out without much effort. Added LG bars with himes and the car is flat and precise no matter how much throttle I give! Great upgrade. Only issue so far is chasing and correcting the "popping" noise I get occasionally from the end links!
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