Port injection engines yes, not a single direct injection engine has gone more than 10k miles w/out severe coking period. I urge anyone that doubts this and wants to see proof, simply remove your intake manifold and look into the ports at your valves. No argument then, no hype, right in front of your own eyes to see...and take pictures to document.

And you are correct as the vast majority will never see this or be aware.

Guarantee it. And Elite also has a suitable system. Saiku Micchi can be adapted to work with some modifications as well.

See my last post above. I will guarantee it, but the poster Busa Dave has run this for thousands of miles, has removed his SC cover many times to document it works as described.

But every one of the mentioned venting systems do ZERO to remove the damaging compounds that tear your engine up and contaminate the engine oil so you are free to do so, but your sacrificing your engine running such. And if you doubt this, when you change oil next time collect some and send it in to an oil analysis lab and see just what is happening by leaving all the that acid/water/fuel/and carbon and soot particles in the crankcase to be circulated through damaging and wearing your internals.

And anyone that is comfortable doing so, then it is a free world. By all means run what you want. But if you do NOT evacuate these damaging compounds as soon as they enter the crankcase, then they quickly settle and mix with the oil and are not coming out.

Anyone can prove what I am stating yourself, no need to fight and insult anyone....just look and see and do an oil analysis. It is your engine to wreck, not mine or anyone else's. This is only accurate, verifiable info I am sharing. Not trying to offend anyone or fight with anyone.

 

I'll send an analysis in with the open can.

 

I will too...

 

I've been looking into the lmr catch can for a while now and was all but sold... If really like to see what they have to say by these claims...

 

So.... after reading this 5+ pages of great information with an equal amount of drivel.... I would like to know why I made a mistake when I purchased a UPR Z51 system, which from what I was able to determine before purchasing it, was almost identical to the Elite Z51 system, except it had Quick connect fittings for easier installation???

So... what is wrong with the UPR Catch Can System????????

My only complaint is that the catch can oil reservoir is so long that I have to unbolt the mount to unscrew and empty it. At 3,100 mi and over 2,800 mi on catch can system I have NO oil in my intake system and had about 2 oz in the catch can.

One thing most of us can at least agree on is that any catch can is better than no catch can. Still, why can't GM do what Ford has done on it's 3.5 TT DI engines and build in a catch can into the valve covers that automatically overflows into the engine???????

 

there's a few things I wish GM would do that Ford has done like go to wideband O2 sensors instead of narrowbands, for one thing.

Of course, there are things Ford could do better that GM already does as well......

Pick your poison. Ford or GM, open or closed catch can.

 

It really helps one read WOT Log runs! You can compare lambda, HP fuel pump pressure, boost( -if you have F.I), among other important variables, relative to RPM & MPH. Especially someone like me who is as verklempt as to be dangerous!

 

you can do that with HPT already, just a pain in the bum to install a wideband every time you want to tune properly or else hardwire it in....but since I tune other cars as well I am constantly jacking with a wideband installation and removal.

 

Speaking of wideband gauges, I'm still beyond shocked that no after market vendor has designed gauge pods yet. It's been 2 years for gods sake!

 

I have Innovate wide bands in both G8's. Agree it can be done temporarily, but can't be permanently done via a stealth install. Maybe someone could create a dual purpose O2 sensor/wide band sensor with a quick plug and play. (When pigs fly...LOL).

 

It sounds like it is doing the job it should..I am not familiar with it. Ford has a huge issue w/the 3.5TT...do a Google search on "misfire shudder ecoboost" and "class action on failed ecoboost engines" and finally "NTSB Investigation into failed engines"

This is one Youtube as well:


And a great explanation of why they have the issues:


To answer your other question, you cannot make a air/oil separator more than 20-30% effective or it also traps the damaging compounds that must be removed so your engine lives. As the EcoBoost only evacuates say 5-10% of the time it is running, it is common to see the oil level actually rise with these compounds trapped in the crankcase to accumulate:

http://www.f150forum.com/f70/ecoboos...250722/index5/

And this reply from a Ford dealer also posted on the ecoboost issues:



So no, I would NOT want the issues Ford has as these are caused by improper evacuation. And these compounds are what stay in the crankcase of any system that defeats the evacuation and flushing functions as described. I ask any that have doubts, start searching yourself on all I have stated here...don't take my word for it, and don't be confused by those wanting to not have this info shared.

Thanks guys. That will tell a good story. Look at water & fuel levels alone to start and see how excessive it is along with the soot and carbon your leaving in the crankcase. None of this should be in your engine oil.

Ask me any questions if you haven't followed it all. You MUST evacuate and remove these damaging compounds before they can settle in the oil....do some Google searches (weed out the forum opinions the search brings up) and look only at industry or technical papers on this to see.

You cannot get an engine to last a long time w/out removing these compounds.

 

First of all, my Flex currently has over 93K on it. Second, I did not add an after market catch can, as it came a system to keep the oil from entering the intake. Before I installed the methanol injection system given to me for testing by my Tuner - Torrie McPhail (Unleashed Tuning) at 15K, I checked out my intake manifold and TB for oil. There was a couple drops at the bottom of the TB flange, but NONE in the intake itself. Over many WOT logs and e-mail tune revisions, I was the first person to get a Flex into the 12's. (best run 12.902 at 106.85 MPH with an 1.82 60'. The DA at Cedar Falls Raceway (Iowa) was around 600' and I was on 18" 255-55 Conti DW's. The people being promoted by Livernois were attempting to get there first.

As for that first pix of oil presumably from an aftermarket catch can, I can only say that my oil has never looked like that.

While some people may have had issues with the EcoBoost Truck engines, only people who abused their EcoBoost car engines have had any issues that I am aware of. While they are similar, there are still many internal and external variations, so as to give the truck more torque.

This vehicle is the best overall automobile I have ever owned, in that it is an over achiever at virtually everything a car can do. It is fast, handles great with Pilot Super Sports & Megan Coilovers, can tow nearly 5,000 lbs and also haul 6 - 6 foot people in relative comfort for a couple hundred miles. Yes, I have had several vehicles that were more fun, and handled better, like my 15' Z51 A8, several other Corvettes, Shelby Mustangs, and even my 2 G8 GT's, but none can do everything a big family needs and still be fun to drive.

And Ford didn't have to beg Uncle Sam for $$$$ to stay in business.

As for UPR Catch Cans... do a Google search and see for yourself.

 

Well I sit 20 feet from a turbo 6 Ford truck owner who shelled out his engine he is one of those types who drives the speed limit only but does pull a 18 foot boat for fishing.

I personally have not had ingestion problems with the Ford turbo motors but my 2011 Raptor did. Noticed the intake had oil residue but to your point it was a non turbo.

You can go to the Raptor sites and do a search it is documented--may even see posts from me about it from a couple of years back.

http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f24/r...tml#post857714

 

Again, you are talking about the 3.5 TT Truck engine. It has different rods, variable cam timing on both intake and exhaust ( car just intake), a bigger DI pump that also operates with a 4 lobe cam ( car 3 lobe and lower pressure) as well as a different intake manifold, CAI and other unique parts. The truck TT has around 50 lbs more torque than the car TT. I would guess that Ford has sold no more than 100,000 EcoBoost Car engines and perhaps a million or more EcoBoost truck engines.

The car engine in SHO, EB Flex, & Explorer Sport have a maximum towing capacity of 5,000 lbs in Explorer and 4,500 lbs in Flex. Car engine sits crossways and is predominantly a FWD system, with a limited amount of power going to rear. When I referred to the built in catch can in the valve cover I only refer to the 3.5 TT DI engines.

Have no idea about oil ingestion in the Raptor V8 which is port injection. At least with port injection, the intake valve stems/heads get cleaned off by fuel entering the combustion chamber.

Back on topic. I strongly recommend a catch can that is designed for your application, whether it is a DI Vette, or any other type of engine in your motor vehicle. with fuel injection. I have them on all of my vehicles. Arguing over what brand is always going to be a matter of opinion.... NO WINNERS...

 

Well to your point---catch cans are needed. All crankcase gaseous waste is routed back to be burned no matter what vehicle you have. Some engines deal with it better than others.... Brand does make a difference because the internal design makes determines effectiveness...

 

I personally prefer NOT to route 'gaseous waste' to my intake when WOT and trying to make hp. Clean air works best for that

 

exactly

 

Thats why what you see coming from these effective cans is water, unburnt fuel, oil mist, and soot and carbon mainly. Only a very small amount of what you see is actually oil so the crankcase oil would never look like this. Using a system that vents to the atmosphere is illegal on the street in all 50 States, and is venting air that eventually has to be used int he combustion process as it has already been metered (measured) by the MAF, so your causing short term fuel trim issues as the PCM attempts to compensate. Also, using one of these truely effective systems traps any of the nasty mix you would not want entering the intake air charge thus only airf/fuel enter the combustion chamber.

I have a question, you don't have a Supporting Vendor designation, yet you post your logo and push your products on this and LS1tech where the rest of us have to pay a good amount of $ each month to support the forums....why are you given a pass on this? Should we all be allowed to do the same and quit paying?


Being a supporting vendor allows the forum to exist and give all members a great place for info, etc. Why not step up like the rest of us and follow the forum rules? Some members have already told be in PM they can PM you and you sell to them, so your skirting the rules here and the other forums we all pay a pretty hefty amount to be vendors on. Can you explain this?

 

Interesting information.