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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 08:26 AM
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Wow FYREANT.. this is turning out to be a little gremlin. Just to throw our experiences in, we had 10#'s of boost at 650-670 rwhp and the single nozzle was perfect. Our alky control **** was set to 8. Our current build has us hopefully around 850 rwhp and we are swapping out the pulley. Looking to be around 14#'s with a cam / forged / dual nozzle meth setup. Not sure where my alky **** will be but I will pass it on when our tuner finishes our build.
Yea you're tellin me! Pretty sure I need to reduce my meth but havent been able to get in touch with my tuner to ask him.

Im pretty sure the LT1 is supposed to be targeted at 12.6-12.8 AFR at WOT. in my vid it gets as low as 11.7.
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Depends on what the tuner setup stoich at.....
I tend to shoot for .89 to .90 lambda NA and .84 to .85 on boost
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 12:38 PM
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12.6 is pretty lean for a boosted engine. When you add boost, the target AFR changes. I like to keep it at 11.9:1 for safety.

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Right. Based on this I am thinking I have either a boost leak or maybe a cylinder not firing right.. Or rather firing when it wants to.
I saw your AFR going a bit fat at 13 and bouncing all over. Thinking top fuel and how they get flame outs from time to time. Don't know if that's happening with yours but maybe the fore cylinders are getting a bit more liquid. Julio said it will never go full boogie until 14+/- psi so you may only see 80psi on the meth instead of 150 where it will atomize better.
Keep the dual set up and install 2x7gph then retune. I know that's what I'd be thinking. Was 8.8# boost your peak or did you let off early?
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I saw your AFR going a bit fat at 13 and bouncing all over. Thinking top fuel and how they get flame outs from time to time. Don't know if that's happening with yours but maybe the fore cylinders are getting a bit more liquid. Julio said it will never go full boogie until 14+/- psi so you may only see 80psi on the meth instead of 150 where it will atomize better.
Keep the dual set up and install 2x7gph then retune. I know that's what I'd be thinking. Was 8.8# boost your peak or did you let off early?
I may have let off a bit early since the CEL started flashing and spooked me..
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My AFR is low 11, high 10's at WOT according to my afr gauge but not sure how accurate that is. I'd rather be rich then lean with boost.
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I've secured an appointment with my tuner for tomorrow. Going to head up there so we can see whats going on with the car. Keep everyone posted!
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I've secured an appointment with my tuner for tomorrow. Going to head up there so we can see whats going on with the car. Keep everyone posted!
Matt will get you back on track..
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12.6 is pretty lean for a boosted engine. When you add boost, the target AFR changes. I like to keep it at 11.9:1 for safety.
sounds right for a port injected motor. is the LT1 port injected or direct injected? i forgot.
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OK I think we figured out what is going on with my car! To those of you who thought it was too much meth, including myself, it appears we were not correct. At least, not at this point. The issue appears to be that the spark plug on cylinder 4 has a crack in the porcelain causing that cylinder to misfire. The misfire count on that cylinder was up to 40-50 on a single run which was not all the way up to redline. To confirm our suspicions, we swapped cylinder 4 with cylinder 1 (opposite bank) to see if the issue followed, and of course, it did. So, I am overnighting a full set of new NGK 6510's so I have some spares. I'll install the replacement for that 1 faulty plug and then trek back up to Bradenton for Matt to put it back on the Dyno and get her dialed in just right.

Big thanks to Matt@FSP for being available to me on a Sunday to diag my issue!
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Originally Posted by FYREANT
OK I think we figured out what is going on with my car! To those of you who thought it was too much meth, including myself, it appears we were not correct. At least, not at this point. The issue appears to be that the spark plug on cylinder 4 has a crack in the porcelain causing that cylinder to misfire. The misfire count on that cylinder was up to 40-50 on a single run which was not all the way up to redline. To confirm our suspicions, we swapped cylinder 4 with cylinder 1 (opposite bank) to see if the issue followed, and of course, it did. So, I am overnighting a full set of new NGK 6510's so I have some spares. I'll install the replacement for that 1 faulty plug and then trek back up to Bradenton for Matt to put it back on the Dyno and get her dialed in just right.

Big thanks to Matt@FSP for being available to me on a Sunday to diag my issue!
Glad to hear man! I am surprised your car wasn't running just absolutely horrible! When I said earlier here the below....

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However I'd just take it to your tuner and have them hook it up. They'll know it's plugs with out taking them off
This is what I had in mind. Same problem I had!
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 10:22 PM
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Glad to hear man! I am surprised your car wasn't running just absolutely horrible! When I said earlier here the below....



This is what I had in mind. Same problem I had!
good guess, you were on to something for sure! AND.... you won the showcase showdown! unfortunately after paying the taxes on the prizes, there aren't any prizes left! LOL

Surprisingly the car is still driving pretty decent. Since the crack is a hairline crack, its not arc'ing out and causing issues at low RPM's. I think that's how I didn't notice..
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 10:28 PM
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Same for me. The only time I knew my car was running like crap was at WOT. You need to go race your z06 buddy again!
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 10:35 PM
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Same for me. The only time I knew my car was running like crap was at WOT. You need to go race your z06 buddy again!
that's the plan as soon as I get the new plugs in and have Matt check over the tune on the dyno. I think I should have him this time... specially knowing that I was dead even with him and I was running on 7 cylinders! LOL
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So are you keeping the dual set up? Maybe swap in 2x10gph and retune?
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 11:53 PM
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So are you keeping the dual set up? Maybe swap in 2x10gph and retune?
As of right now I am keeping them, and not swapping out. Once I get the plug swapped we are going to check it out on the dyno. If there is too much meth we can reconfigure the nozzle setup then.
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I told you spark plugs and listed a link to the cheapest set of ngk plugs like 2 weeks ago! I know cause I already have 32 of them on my kitchen counter!
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 06:28 AM
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I told you spark plugs and listed a link to the cheapest set of ngk plugs like 2 weeks ago! I know cause I already have 32 of them on my kitchen counter!
Yes i do remember. You won the other showcase showdown lol
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Yes i do remember. You won the other showcase showdown lol
So were you able to get everything fixed and back on the dyno??? Looking forward to hearing if you are back in the fight!

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So were you able to get everything fixed and back on the dyno??? Looking forward to hearing if you are back in the fight!

Not back in the fight just yet, but we got the necessary intel that will end the war with success hahaha! I overnighted some new plugs and will be going back up on Sunday afternoon to have Matt retune it on the Dyno since she will be running right finally. I may even do runday sunday at the Bradenton track right after as it looks like they have that going on that day as well.

Stay tuned!

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