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Mike I know you guys are working on the 16 A8 tune but info were to buy the tuner now for just the motor could the A8 tune be added once you are finished with it and would there be an additional charge? Thanks
You are making it sound the way you want, and thats fine. I read what you posted and see nothing stating what you say to be fact, more like interpretation.
Either way, its up to the end user whether they decide to tune the car or not, and thankfully you are here looking out for them
If they want to tune it and keep the dealer out of their hair, we offer a great product for that.
Thanks
LOL. What part of "required" am I misinterpreting? How do you interpret that word? I'll repeat the question. Can you state that your tunes do NOT change the flash count? Yes or no?
I wonder what the hp difference would be from the mids to long tubes? Local shop here claims approx 45 hp gain with long tube, high flow cats and tune.
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Good question. One I can't answer. All I now is, I like not having a CEL light or needing a tune. With l t headers, one would have to tune or live with a CEL.
So your warranty is fine with aftermarket headers, but you wont tune it?
To each their own I suppose
I sense sarcasm. But yes. That's exactly right. I have a thread with Dyno results and my exact set up and warranty implications as explained to me by my tech/dealer.
Thanks Meyer - I'll check out the link you sent me brah!
So, buy a E92 ECM to keep aside from the stock ECM. If your spending thousands, $650 shouldn't be a huge deal. Stock ECM with a stock cal and no crazy flash count.
Sure as heck is. That's why I went with mid length headers/high flow cats. No CEL and emmissions legal.
That's even more debatable than the tune issue. Removing functioning catalytic converters from a vehicle is not exactly kosher under federal law.
"Section 288 – Enforcement: (b) TAMPERING WITH VEHICLE EMISSION CONTROLS –
(1) Section 203(a)(3) (42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3)) is amended to read as follows:
'(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
'(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use; or '
(2) At the end of section 203(a) (42 U.S.C. 7522(a)) insert the following:
'No action with respect to any device or element of design referred to in paragraph (3) shall be treated as a prohibited act under that paragraph if (i) the action is for the purpose of repair or replacement of the device or element, or is a necessary and temporary procedure to repair or replace any other item and the device or element is replaced upon completion of the procedure, and (ii) such action thereafter results in the proper functioning of the device or element referred to in paragraph (3). No action with respect to any device or element of design referred to in paragraph (3) shall be treated as a prohibited act under that paragraph if the action is for the purpose of a conversion of a motor vehicle for use of a clean alternative fuel (as defined in this title) and if such vehicle complies with the applicable standard under section 202 when operating on such fuel, and if in the case of a clean alternative fuel vehicle (as defined by rule by the Administrator), the device or element is replaced upon completion of the conversion procedure and such action results in proper functioning of the device or element when the motor vehicle operates on conventional fuel.'." http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/about/faq.htm#question13
I could personally careless and really don't have a dog in this fight since I've removed the secondary cats, and have tuned my car
Anyone wanting to keep the factory warranty intact is really rolling the dice with any aftermarket modification. Everyone has their opinions, and comfortable with which risks they're willing to accept.
So, buy a E92 ECM to keep aside from the stock ECM. If your spending thousands, $650 shouldn't be a huge deal. Stock ECM with a stock cal and no crazy flash count.
Sounds good, right?
Someone posted in another thread that the ECM tracks in-service dates, so if you remove and replace it GM can see that, too. Whether that is true or not I have no idea.
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Originally Posted by AUTO_X_AL
So, buy a E92 ECM to keep aside from the stock ECM. If your spending thousands, $650 shouldn't be a huge deal. Stock ECM with a stock cal and no crazy flash count.
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Originally Posted by meyerweb
Someone posted in another thread that the ECM tracks in-service dates, so if you remove and replace it GM can see that, too. Whether that is true or not I have no idea.
Very true. So true that one of our forum vendors is very unhappy with the way it has cut into sales of performance tunes.
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Originally Posted by AUTO_X_AL
Can you list why? I'm honestly curious.
Unlike the C6, GM now has other means of knowing that the ecm has been changed out. Mileage is just one of them. It holds the current milage in its system. If the unit is swapped out and then reinstalled, there will be a milage difference.