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I think I started the $200k talk and people ran with it. But the thing is, when I mentioned $200k I was referring to my willingness to shell out cash for a wilder version of the 1992 Sting Ray III Concept.
The actual C8 should clock in somewhere around $100-120k. It's possible there could be a budget friendly version in there too.
See that’s the HUGE question is the C8 going to be ME only or a couple models? I could see two performance ME models, one around 100k and another starting around 135-140k, built alongside a couple FE models.
The ME where it ends up at 200K is a bargain relative to the exotics.
It isn't JUST performance numbers that drive Sportscar prices.
If that were true, Corvettes would have long ago been selling at Ferrari prices.
Originally Posted by tbrenny33
IF the C8 goes completely to ME then I could see a entry level of 60-70k and then a top tier model of 175-200k priced very competitively with the 911 Turbo S. For all performance comparisons the 911 Turbo s is a supercar. And I would expect a 175k ME vette to be every bit comparable performance wise to the 720s, perfomante, 918, 488, etc.
The Corvette isn't a competitor to those cars in the marketplace...never has been.
Those are small sales, low production cars, not the high volume, budget Supercar the Corvette is...VERY different animals.
It isn't JUST performance numbers that drive Sportscar prices.
If that were true, Corvettes would have long ago been selling at Ferrari prices.
The Corvette isn't a competitor to those cars in the marketplace...never has been.
Those are small sales, low production cars, not the high volume, budget Supercar the Corvette is...VERY different animals.
Exactly, the numbers don't lie.
I was only comparing them from a performance perspective, as competitors. I think you could make the point the Z06/ZR1 are already competing performance wise with many of those cars. I totally agree with you from a “budget” and volume perspective they aren’t competitors.
That is the headlamp, it fits the fender perfectly. The amber side markers we can see on the camo'd cars will be in the top part of the assembly where it comes to a point.
You can also see the lower tip of the fender where it'll meet the front fascia bellow the headlight.
Yes. I was able to superimpose it on the CAD image and estimate the size and general shape.
Based on the latest information and CAD of the headlamp assembly I have revised my rendering of the ME to include a more paint-shop "accurate" nose and Aria style side scoop. It will be interesting to see the final rendition of the actual scoop. I also revised the fender top creases to be more like the GM design video of the Chevy sports-car -concept car which happens to be s bit like a C2-C3 and done this way look fairy good and the rear side window-scoop shape which is also similar to the GM design video car and the Aria.
I was able to straighten and flatten out the CAD images and assembly them roughly enough to get a decent idea of the overall shape and proportions of the car. I was also able to superimpose the headlamp assembly in place to discover the size of the headlamp. The front-on view is a best guess for now but should be relatively close. Of course some artistic license had to be take to fill in the blanks until we know more.
Let me know what you think.
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I was only comparing them from a performance perspective, as competitors. I think you could make the point the Z06/ZR1 are already competing performance wise with many of those cars. I totally agree with you from a “budget” and volume perspective they aren’t competitors.
How many times have we seen the Corvette out performing expensive exotics in mag tests?
Vettes have been GIANT killers for quite awhile now...
Last edited by sunsalem; Jan 26, 2018 at 02:29 AM.
How many times have we seen the Corvette out performing expensive exotics in mag tests?
Vettes have been GIANT killers for quite awhile now...
Wait a second...that's just not true. I love Corvettes but I don't live in this world where I go around believing they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Every generation of Corvette (well maybe not the C1) has been a performance darling in one way or another. That's the Corvette's job. But it has never been a 'giant killer'. Throwing a supercharger or a few more ponies at a car and getting a slightly better time does not connotate to ruler of all. If Corvette is beating Ferrari in production performance numbers, it is because Ferrari can't be bothered to compete. There are many factors that go into why car companies do what they do.
Ford has rarely competed with GM on the horsepower front because generally Ford's cars sell better and arguably their designs resonate better with the public. As much as we love Corvette, GM does not have a good track record for making pretty cars. Ex: Monte Carlo, Sunfire, Aztek...(all the Lincolns).
GM has always played a game of oneupsmanship with with Ford. If Ford makes a car with 400 HP, the General makes their competitor with 425 HP.
Dodge...well, Dodge is Dodge. They are the AMC of modern cars. They make a few pretty designs and throw a lot of horsepower at them but at the end of the day, it may be a flying piece of poop. Outside of the Viper, they still haven't quite figured out how to make a car go around a turn. I say this with all the love in the world.
Ferrari, can stomp all over GM whenever it wants. It is, and has been for several decades, the true King of the Hill. It's cars sell exactly as how Ferrari wants. When a young pup such as GM or Ford try to take its crown, Ferrari makes a better, faster machine, that is not only the fastest kid on the block, but also a work of art.
The only real contender for Ferrari's title in modern cars is McLaren. It makes exceptional machines that are amazing fast in all directions and sometimes art. Time will tell if they can keep it up.
The point of all this is just to say, Corvette is great, but at the price point the General wants to sell them, it is nearly impossible for it to be a 'giant slayer'. Too many corners have to be cut in quality, too many compromises made in design for the sake of mass marketability, and not enough money thrown at making the engines the best in the world.
Ford has rarely competed with GM on the horsepower front because generally Ford's cars sell better and arguably their designs resonate better with the public. As much as we love Corvette, GM does not have a good track record for making pretty cars. Ex: Monte Carlo, Sunfire, Aztek...(all the Lincolns).
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If "Ford's cars sell better" then perhaps you could explain the following 2017 US Market Share data (from the Wall Street Journal):
Ford has rarely competed with GM on the horsepower front because generally Ford's cars sell better and arguably their designs resonate better with the public. As much as we love Corvette, GM does not have a good track record for making pretty cars. Ex: Monte Carlo, Sunfire, Aztek...(all the Lincolns).
Those were definitely some homely automobiles.. But the Lincolns are Ford's.
Those were definitely some homely automobiles.. But the Lincolns are Ford's.
LOL...true. Oops.
How about Buick then? I guess I can't say Buicks are ugly, only boring.
It's always baffled me, the prettiest cars GM makes are Holdens and arguably the highest quality as well. Then they ruin them by changing the body panels for the US versions and then stop making them Australia.
Corvettes have always competed performance wise easily with Porsche at a 1 to 2 price ratio or higher. Likewise with Ferrari at a 1 to 3 ratio or higher. The ME where it ends up at 200K is a bargain relative to the exotics. Studying Zerv's thread has been highly entertaining and informative but I'm certainly not trying to confuse anyone on the differences between Ferrari and Corvette.
Porsche people just don't buy Corvettes. A person that has more than one sports car probably but I have never known a Corvette guy or Porsche guy to change loyalties. Granted I don't know EVERYONE in the world
Au contraire. Mike Furman@ Criswell, who has sold Corvettes for 40 years and over 3,850 new ones, posts often about a Porsche buyer who has just bought his first Corvette from him, a new C7.
He also has had Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin, and other/current top brand sports car owners buy a C7.
A friend of mine who has owned 3 Ferraris, 3 Porsches, and 2 Lotus, just bought his second new C7.
Au contraire. Mike Furman@ Criswell, who has sold Corvettes for 40 years and over 3,850 new ones, posts often about a Porsche buyer who has just bought his first Corvette from him, a new C7.
He also has had Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin, and other/current top brand sports car owners buy a C7.
A friend of mine who has owned 3 Ferraris, 3 Porsches, and 2 Lotus, just bought his second new C7.
Read the post very slowly word for word then think about it and read it again maybe you'll understand what it says
How about Buick then? I guess I can't say Buicks are ugly, only boring.
It's always baffled me, the prettiest cars GM makes are Holdens and arguably the highest quality as well. Then they ruin them by changing the body panels for the US versions and then stop making them Australia.
having recently spent two weeks travelling across Australia, the one thing I noticed about Holdens is that they just blend in with all the Toyota's. Nothing "pretty" about them, at least to me. You do see a lot of Utes there.
Wait a second...that's just not true. I love Corvettes but I don't live in this world where I go around believing they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Every generation of Corvette (well maybe not the C1) has been a performance darling in one way or another. That's the Corvette's job. But it has never been a 'giant killer'. Throwing a supercharger or a few more ponies at a car and getting a slightly better time does not connotate to ruler of all. If Corvette is beating Ferrari in production performance numbers, it is because Ferrari can't be bothered to compete. There are many factors that go into why car companies do what they do.
Ford has rarely competed with GM on the horsepower front because generally Ford's cars sell better and arguably their designs resonate better with the public. As much as we love Corvette, GM does not have a good track record for making pretty cars. Ex: Monte Carlo, Sunfire, Aztek...(all the Lincolns).
GM has always played a game of oneupsmanship with with Ford. If Ford makes a car with 400 HP, the General makes their competitor with 425 HP.
Dodge...well, Dodge is Dodge. They are the AMC of modern cars. They make a few pretty designs and throw a lot of horsepower at them but at the end of the day, it may be a flying piece of poop. Outside of the Viper, they still haven't quite figured out how to make a car go around a turn. I say this with all the love in the world.
Ferrari, can stomp all over GM whenever it wants. It is, and has been for several decades, the true King of the Hill. It's cars sell exactly as how Ferrari wants. When a young pup such as GM or Ford try to take its crown, Ferrari makes a better, faster machine, that is not only the fastest kid on the block, but also a work of art.
The only real contender for Ferrari's title in modern cars is McLaren. It makes exceptional machines that are amazing fast in all directions and sometimes art. Time will tell if they can keep it up.
The point of all this is just to say, Corvette is great, but at the price point the General wants to sell them, it is nearly impossible for it to be a 'giant slayer'. Too many corners have to be cut in quality, too many compromises made in design for the sake of mass marketability, and not enough money thrown at making the engines the best in the world.
Right and look at the collectability of Ferrari millions, because they are a boutique car not for the masses
I like the softer lines of non-US based trucks. So I prefer their version of the Trailblazer and Colorado. The Commodore is one of the best cars on the market. And you know you want a Ute.
I like the softer lines of non-US based trucks. So I prefer their version of the Trailblazer and Colorado. The Commodore is one of the best cars on the market. And you know you want a Ute.
No, I'm not into trucks of any kind. Never owned one, never wanted one. I'm definitely "out-of-step" with the Texas pickup loving crowd.
Porsche people just don't buy Corvettes. A person that has more than one sports car probably but I have never known a Corvette guy or Porsche guy to change loyalties. Granted I don't know EVERYONE in the world
Porsche enthusiasts are often a arrogant bunch. I've had Corvettes than switched to Ferrari's. I am going back to Corvette's as they are a great car period. I've often observed Porsche guy's that are just too uptight especially when being dominated by Corvette's on the track. The spastic 911 configuration baffles me in how anyone could consider that format a pure drivers experience.
That is the headlamp, it fits the fender perfectly. The amber side markers we can see on the camo'd cars will be in the top part of the assembly where it comes to a point.
You can also see the lower tip of the fender where it'll meet the front fascia bellow the headlight.
Thanks for the post.!
I adjusted my rendering to show the front compared to the spy pics and where the headlamp size and shape overlay.
So this means that the side lamp will be separate after all ?. I was wondering because on some spy pics an orange "oval" can be seen over the fender. Was not sure if it would be covered by the headlamp blister.
I represented the side signal light with a yellow oval in the approximate position as seen in the spy pic.
The headlamp shape and size must be close. Of course, there is distortion in the adjusted images but can't be too far off and artistic liberties are taken to fill in the blanks until we know more.
