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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 05:11 PM
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Beat Z06 how? Where? In a controlled 0-60, sure. On a rolling 2nd or 3rd gear, like 99% of you guys would use the car in real life, no friking way. Its 100-150 lbs heavier and has 160 hp less.

The entire 0-60 with very short gear ratios is a marketing move. I dont think you can beat a 650 hp/650 torque 3450 lbs car in daily driving.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dads1le
Anyone else notice these specs Would have thought braking would be closer to 100 ft or less and lateral g to be over 1 g. Probably reading too much into unofficial specs but has me wondering if the non Z models will be more of luxury touring piece than a sharp handling instrument?
I looked up Chevrolet’s published figures for the 2014 Stingray Z51 60-0 braking distance and it was only one foot shorter.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by village idiot
Claimed curb weight of ~3600 means it's probably going to be 3700lbs on scales and edging close to 3900 for the Z06

That's my only gripe about the C8, although, it's a big one. I was hoping it would lose 100lbs going mid engine. It gained 200lb

edit: kinda weird there isn't a 1:1 gear.
Are you talking with driver?

I disagree on your predictions completely, no way a C8 is as heavy as a 6th gen ZL1.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 05:42 PM
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So after seeing this new data with the performance numbers being so close Is anyone else thinking of dropping Z51 package and upgrading to 2LT With performance exhaust?
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 05:47 PM
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So after seeing this new data with the performance numbers being so close Is anyone else thinking of dropping Z51 package and upgrading to 2LT With performance exhaust?
my thoughts exactly, the only thing left to decide is how bad to i want magride
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabed1
So after seeing this new data with the performance numbers being so close Is anyone else thinking of dropping Z51 package and upgrading to 2LT With performance exhaust?
Yup, but I'm hoping Mag Ride also will be available as a standalone option on the Vert by the time the car is in production.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 06:17 PM
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I like the Magnetic ride so I'm forced to get the Z51 package
When is yours being built. MIne is not going to be until mid July/Aug unless some drop out before then. If GM adds it as a stand alone option before then, I will have MIke Furman add it to my order.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 06:38 PM
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GM did an incredible job squeezing a sub 3 sec 0-60 from 490/470. But it's going to need more than a good DCT and a mid engine platform to keep up with 650/650 in 0-100 mph and beyond. Car and Driver has the C7 Z06 at 6.8 sec for 0-100 mph.

Similarly, the C8 Stingray is able to keep up with a 488 GTB in 0-60 (depending on which magazine testing #s you use), but gets blown away by the time it gets to 100 mph and beyond. If you expected more than that, you'll just have to wait for the Z06.
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Originally Posted by Metraman
Z51 for resale when the ZO6 comes out.
The old Z51 resale wives tale:

Spend $5K on Z51 to only get $2.5K to $3K back in 3 - 5 years, uhhh, waaaay better to invest that $5K now and have $6K to $8K in 3- 5 years so you'll be a lot closer to covering the $$ gap to the Z06 when it arrives.. Z51 you'll lose money, invested $5K you'll make money.

Buy Z51 if you want it/will enjoy it are already one hell of a fast/skilled driver -- don't buy it for "financial" or "resale" reasons or you'll be going backwards money wise. Frankly, the money would be better spent on driving lessons, that'll shave your lap times down a lot more than Z51 v. base car will.
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he asked which and you said yup. Yup you do get 495 with NPP.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 07:29 PM
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Z51's have always been better "track cars" and that's what the package is designed to do. However, I would guess that the base, like the base C7 , will still handle really well. If I recall correctly the base C7 allegedly handled as well as a C6 Grand Sport. I think the Corvette engineers just make these cars handle better and better with each generation. Just saying...
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 07:52 PM
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One of my customers has a stock 1LT 2019 Z06 auto that ran 10.80 on our less than perfect track here in Winnipeg.. trapped as high 132 MPH with his best ET coming around 124 MPH with a 1.72 60'... the car is bone stock, stock tires with the only thing different being that he had the rear alignment optimized for drag racing..he came to our shop with the specs he wanted and our guys adjusted it for him. He left off the line at idle and just rolls into the power otherwise it blows the tires off.

Anyways it sounds like the new C8 is a hammer off the line and which of course gives it fantastic 1/4 mile performance in relation to its power/weight . I would imagine that on most any kind of a roll race the C7 Z06 will annihilate the LT2 C8 but in a head to head 1/4 mile with average drivers it's going to be an interesting race, especially so on a unprepped surface .. My opinion is that it sounds like this C8 chassis hooks up hard off the line and will be a great drag racer and my guess is the rumoured 800 HP Z06 is going to run sub 10 seconds in the 1/4 right off the showroom floor.

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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by village idiot
Claimed curb weight of ~3600 means it's probably going to be 3700lbs on scales and edging close to 3900 for the Z06

That's my only gripe about the C8, although, it's a big one. I was hoping it would lose 100lbs going mid engine. It gained 200lb

edit: kinda weird there isn't a 1:1 gear.
With you in it 3700? Curb weight is 3577 for z51 full of fluids that means the dry weight is ~3408 as the z51 is only 42 lbs heavier in the C8 atleast?
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 10:13 PM
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Keep in mind that the data that is posted here isn’t final. While you can get an idea of what the performance spectrum will be, there is still some final work to be done before official numbers are released. In fact, it was also during Corvettes at Carlisle in the 2020 Corvette Walk Around Presentation that Tadge Juechter said, “We still have a ways to go. We have to do some additional test work, some final tweaking on the calibrations…a lot of little fine tuning still left to do to make sure the car is perfect when we finally do start production.”
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jim2527
What’s most impressive to me is the 1/10s difference in 0-60. Z51 cars shift twice in the 0-60 run. Z51 cars lose ~150ms because of the extra shift yet come out 100ms ahead!! That’s serious acceleration!!!

(~150ms to shift is rough guesstimate on my part)
Shift speeds are under 100ms for the C8, but that doesn’t mean acceleration is slowed a tenth of a second as the car is still accelerating between shifts at relatively low speeds where aero drag isn’t coming into play much. The z51 is half a car ahead at 60mph, put 1” smaller diameter wheels to even out the SLR on the base model with better rubber and it’s a photo finish as discussed in other thread.
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Old Aug 26, 2019 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by usrodeo4
You can bet the numbers are based on to 60 mph, not 62 mph.
62mph or 100kph makes sense for euro spec and that’s exactly what they geared the base model to do in 2nd gear.
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Originally Posted by Fore58
According to the data, both cars are right there by the time they cross the 1/4 mile. There are no other indications. No difference between the C7 Z51 and base model it appears. The Z51 should have a slight edge for what it's worth. So both cars are at 11.3@121. That's very quick. Now once the boys get a hold of this car on a well prepped track, possibly lower 11's or high 10's
Yeah, we have no idea what the DA was when GM ran the 1/4. They don’t correct to 0 DA, but SAE conditions are ~2000’ positive. Let’s say GM was in average conditions like that, correct it to -1000’ mine shaft air and it’s going 11.0@124. Will be interesting to see if anyone will be able to crack into the 10s bonestock next spring, but don’t believe we’ll see as big of gains as in the past between the strip and street with it moving to mid engine and launch control. Though a base model Corvette going 10s sure would be impressive and 124mph just happens to be the top of 4th.
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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 12:12 AM
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And we are sure this is legit? and not just some random made up internet thing ?
It feels random to me. The tires alone could get you to 60 a few tenths quicker. Yet people think tires + gearing + traction only equal 0.1? Impossible.

The mph / kmph typo alone makes me feel this is not official.
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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by UnhandledException
Beat Z06 how? Where? In a controlled 0-60, sure. On a rolling 2nd or 3rd gear, like 99% of you guys would use the car in real life, no friking way. Its 100-150 lbs heavier and has 160 hp less.

The entire 0-60 with very short gear ratios is a marketing move. I dont think you can beat a 650 hp/650 torque 3450 lbs car in daily driving.
Theres this thing called traction. Ask Hellcat owners about it lol. Horsepower is wasted when you can’t put it down which is the whole point of the C8.
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Originally Posted by Wyldfyer
It feels random to me. The tires alone could get you to 60 a few tenths quicker. Yet people think tires + gearing + traction only equal 0.1? Impossible.

The mph / kmph typo alone makes me feel this is not official.
I agree, tires typically make a big difference. How deprived of traction is the C8 with it’s launch control, mid engine and 305 tires is the question. It’s got basically similar power to weight as the C7, but has an inch more rear rubber and a lot more weight over the rear tires. A good surface will help negate the tires with a lower coefficient of friction as well, but these new all seasons aren’t junk.
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