What 2010 anything that is $15k could possibly outperform any Corvette made since 2005?

 

It was a hypothetical and not restricted to Corvettes, BUT, a lot of people haven't replaced their C5 Z06's yet and do pretty well against the newer cars in Solo competition.

 

Last month in

(1) car and driver was the basic report with photos of the c8.

next month will be

(2) driving impressions

(3) and the following month will be the full test data and driver report ..



so two or 3 weeks ago the 1)
in a few weeks 2) will drop
4 weeks from there the full test data report will drop...

my guess is 7 weeks from sept 15 th..

nov will be the test data drop in print...

might be a leak on the web before...

just guessing on my part.

 

Understand, but what car that is a 2010 that only sells for $15k could remotely touch a C8? It's the $15k that I'm wondering about, especially considering it being a 2010.

 

I guess the answer is pretty simple, it's the leap of faith, or it's one more season in their current car. The reviews will come out when they come out, it is what it is.

 

Not a big deal to wait 2 months. Nothing is being grossly mismanaged or out of the ordinary for any new vehicle launch.

 

What review would give you the data you need to find a vehicle that out performs a C5 in Solo competition? It sounds like you are saying the C5 Z06 can do pretty well against C6, C7, and other vehicles in Solo competition. If so, did you actually need a review to do this, or did you just race them? Just curious how the reviews helped the C5 Z06.

 

Honestly the "press embargo" should be illegal. Its manipulation and intimidation of the free press.

Why the media lets manufacturers get away with this is beyond me. Its against everything they stand for.

If you have a story you should print it or publish it. If you are first, so be it. If you are last -- too bad for you.

 

No problem: your media organization just won't get one of GM's cars for evaluation or testing. If you want to review one, sign the paperwork. If you don't want to sign the paperwork, then no review. Nothing illegal about two entities voluntarily agreeing to restraints.

 

We don't know ANYTHING about what the C8 will do except for 0-60 times. What I am trying to say is that to buy a C8 right now assuming that it will be a world beater is assuming a lot and putting a lot of faith in GM. I was running a C4 when the C5 came out. The C5 was lighter and had about 50% more power. I don't remember having any trouble with C5's until the Z06 iteration came out. I could have looked at the numbers and the press releases and decided that I was going to have to buy the new car to stay competitive and if I had, I would have been kicking myself.

You are assuming that the C8 is going to be a phenomenal sports car, and I really hope that it is, but there is no proof of that, yet. If the C8 turns out to be a step back from the C7 instead of forward like the C5 was slower than the C4, then a lot of older cars could be competitive with it, not just the GT3.

 

THe reason everyone respects the press embargo is it would be impossible to have everyone test the vehicle in one day so the press embargo lets the major auto review sites to all test the vehicles and then everyone can release the test data all on the same day.

in about 2 weeks we will probably get flooded with driving imoressions and then 4 weeks later we will get flooded with track test reports and test data ...

gove or take a week...thats whats probably going to happen..

 

This is a good question. Just simple performance numbers like acceleration, braking, and skid pad are not really enough to conclusively decide on a car, but it helps. The best way to decide is go watch other people who have taken the plunge and see how they do. I also look for comparison tests that are so popular these days, but in these cases you have to take into consideration that you're probably going to be on a different tire.

Once you start zeroing in on a certain car or cars, it's good to see if you can borrow or rent a car for some events to confirm your ideas. I was able to run a C6 Z06 for a year by offering my mechanical services and set-up experience, and I decided, based on that, that there wasn't enough improvement to justify moving up from my car.

 

Well said. I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape over this. This happens all the time. It's completely voluntary. It's not some "unconstitutional conspiracy"

 

OK, let's try this again, what 2010 car that sells for $15,000 could remotely touch a C8. Don't tap dance with we don't know anything about it, because we know several things. 0-60 in 3 seconds flat, what $15k 2010 stock production car can do that? Top speed of 194mph, what $15k 2010 stock production car can do that? A C5 would stomp a flexible flyer C4, if you didn't have any trouble til Z06, it was because you were a better driver. I can't believe that this car has been in development this long and the General would say, oh well forget it, we can't get it to perform as well as a C7, screw it just release it and we'll see how it does. Not going to happen.

 

“Free press” is about government interference with the press/free speech.

GM has every right to not give cars to the media for testing if they don’t want to, or to make the media sign an agreement stipulating the terms they have to abide by in order to test a car.

Please tell me this was a joke and the sarcasm just flew right over my head.

 

Illegal, really?

Freedom of the press means a magazine could freely write an article about how GM would not give them a car to test because they would not agree to withhold publication until a specified date. A publication can do that without restriction, just as GM is free to withhold a car from that publication for testing purposes.

Do you believe that a law should be enacted to require every manufacturer to provide vehicles for testing before public release without restriction to anyone representing themselves as a journalist?

 

Absurd comparison. 2010 C6es did NOT sell for "$15K!" FYI, neither did 05 C5s....

The guy already told you that his 05 Z06, holds up to new C7s. What more do you want from him?

 

Does anyone know when this embargo is over?

 

I'm talking about lap times, not magazine test performance numbers. You didn't read the articles that tested a C6 Z06 against numerous exotics and semi exotics and the Corvette was one of the slowest accelerating cars in the bunch but lapped Laguna Seca (or whatever track they were using) faster than almost all of the other cars? How did it do that? The only way is that it was faster in the turns or at least braked later.

Autocross can be humiliating to Corvette owners because power can be more of a liability than an asset, and I've seen Miatas or even Hondas that don't qualify as sports cars lay waste to Corvettes. For a few years, turbo RX-7's were the bane of Corvette drivers, being smaller and 300-400 pounds lighter.

Thanks for the compliment on my driving, but I promise you, if the C5 had been better than the C4, it would have been out in droves. Instead, you had lots of C4s , almost the entire field usually, until 2001, then suddenly C5 Z06s started filling up the grids. I expect that the C8 is going to be faster than my C5 Z06, but I don't know for sure. I don't think that autocrossers are more than just a fleeting thought to the manufacturers so it is not so uncommon to see cars that have been really good on the parking lots and airports get replaced by a new model that isn't an improvement, like the poor C5 that nobody wanted for 4 years. You are trying to make the case that the C8 is going to be a big leap in performance based on a few published performance numbers, and it may be, but, based on history, it may not be. That's why I can't wait to start seeing some test numbers and lap times.

 

Confidentiality contracts are in place for a reason. What does it matter whether you don't like it and think it should be illegal. It's not. Are you not understanding that individuals are free to sign binding contractual agreements, with severe consequences written into them?? I work as an agent for others under severe confidentiality agreements in place. It's just how the world of business works.