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I don't think you have been sufficiently following this story and understand the issue. It is reported that approximately 150 cars have been affected by scratched wheels. All models of wheels were scratched, not just one kind. The scratched wheel issue was confirmed by the plant GM himself. It has nothing to do with the inability to get the original wheels delivered to BGA, hence no need to allocate limited wheel choices. The wheels either came in scratched, or were scratched at the plant. However, since the manufacturing process is just in time delivery, there are no wheels just lying around to replace the damaged ones. And BGA won't divert wheels slated for the production line as then those cars would be built without any wheels to be installed - since they rely on just in time deliver. So BGA is waiting for wheels to be delivered from the manufacturer to replace the damaged wheels above and beyond the ones needed for the production line. Hope this helps
Originally Posted by SouthernSon
So the other posts stating an issue with porosity are off the mark? Are you sufficiently following the story?
Shane at the Museum let me know this evening that our car is at the Museum and they’ll start the PDI early tomorrow morning so we can do the delivery on schedule. Have to admit we were a bit nervous flying down here without 100% assurance that our car would be repaired in time to bring it home this week
Kudos to the Museum team and to Mark M at MacMulkin for all they did to help make this happen…
And yet they still have a hold on deliveries. But hey, just go ahead and believe the reasons stated by GM. Personally, if I were buying one today I would ask what wheel finish is being delivered in a timely manner (according to the particulare setup of paint booths the batches of a particular color may run a boat load at a time - bad paint? bad wheel batch?) , order that one, pick up the car after filling tires to 40#'s PSI, drive home while missing every pothole, crawling over RR tracks and taking each curve very slowly in order to not put too much lateral G on the wheel (how much porosity can a wheel contain before failure - should that be the real problem), put the car in the garage, jack it up, remove wheels, break them down and remove TPMS sensors to install in the aftermarket wheels I previously bought before delivery, mount the more friendly size tires that give the same circumferance with tire/wheel combination. Then, scrap the wheels and sell the tires. But hey, that's just me. Having run on race tracks for almost 2 decades I have learned that, truly, the old saying of "for the want of a horse shoe nail the battle was lost" is alive and well. I do want to wish all that have ordered their C8's good luck. May they be everything you want and give no problems during the life of the vehicle.
And yet they still have a hold on deliveries. But hey, just go ahead and believe the reasons stated by GM. Personally, if I were buying one today I would ask what wheel finish is being delivered in a timely manner (according to the particulare setup of paint booths the batches of a particular color may run a boat load at a time - bad paint? bad wheel batch?) , order that one, pick up the car after filling tires to 40#'s PSI, drive home while missing every pothole, crawling over RR tracks and taking each curve very slowly in order to not put too much lateral G on the wheel (how much porosity can a wheel contain before failure - should that be the real problem), put the car in the garage, jack it up, remove wheels, break them down and remove TPMS sensors to install in the aftermarket wheels I previously bought before delivery, mount the more friendly size tires that give the same circumferance with tire/wheel combination. Then, scrap the wheels and sell the tires. But hey, that's just me. Having run on race tracks for almost 2 decades I have learned that, truly, the old saying of "for the want of a horse shoe nail the battle was lost" is alive and well. I do want to wish all that have ordered their C8's good luck. May they be everything you want and give no problems during the life of the vehicle.
All the stuff you're suggesting a buyer should do makes good sense given history (and your use of hyperbole applauded - we get the point!). My point was only that you cited an old article that has nothing to do with events that have occurred months later, and about which this forum has had lots of good information recently pointing to a cosmetic defect - intentionally or accidentally caused. And thank you for your good wishes, like many others here I am hoping that the "law of averages" plays out in my favor and mine is one with perfect wheels, a trouble-free transmission, no paint chipping at the headlights, symmetrical convertible top lining, etc etc etc.
I am interested in what you mean about more friendly size tires, is there a thread on this I can read or can you explain? Curious.
And yet they still have a hold on deliveries. But hey, just go ahead and believe the reasons stated by GM. Personally, if I were buying one today I would ask what wheel finish is being delivered in a timely manner (according to the particulare setup of paint booths the batches of a particular color may run a boat load at a time - bad paint? bad wheel batch?) , order that one, pick up the car after filling tires to 40#'s PSI, drive home while missing every pothole, crawling over RR tracks and taking each curve very slowly in order to not put too much lateral G on the wheel (how much porosity can a wheel contain before failure - should that be the real problem), put the car in the garage, jack it up, remove wheels, break them down and remove TPMS sensors to install in the aftermarket wheels I previously bought before delivery, mount the more friendly size tires that give the same circumferance with tire/wheel combination. Then, scrap the wheels and sell the tires. But hey, that's just me. Having run on race tracks for almost 2 decades I have learned that, truly, the old saying of "for the want of a horse shoe nail the battle was lost" is alive and well. I do want to wish all that have ordered their C8's good luck. May they be everything you want and give no problems during the life of the vehicle.
With all due respect, are you even reading our replies to you? ALL wheels are affected by this latest issue, not just one type. Let me repeat, there have been reports that ALL wheels were affected. Standard wheel, black wheel, trident wheel - they all have issues during this period. So it makes no sense to ask which wheels are being delivered in a timely manner. They all are - but they have found them to be blemished or scratched. And to your other point about picking up the car, fill it to 40lbs and drive it home (carefully) and then replace them. This is exactly what some of us intend to do!!! But we can't do this unless BGA releases the car which they are not doing until they can supply a wheel that meets their QC requirements. So we are left stuck in QC hold until replacement wheels can be delivered to BGA. I hope this makes sense.
All the stuff you're suggesting a buyer should do makes good sense given history (and your use of hyperbole applauded - we get the point!). My point was only that you cited an old article that has nothing to do with events that have occurred months later, and about which this forum has had lots of good information recently pointing to a cosmetic defect - intentionally or accidentally caused. And thank you for your good wishes, like many others here I am hoping that the "law of averages" plays out in my favor and mine is one with perfect wheels, a trouble-free transmission, no paint chipping at the headlights, symmetrical convertible top lining, etc etc etc.
I am interested in what you mean about more friendly size tires, is there a thread on this I can read or can you explain? Curious.
If the C8 A/H has the same tolerance of oversize/undersize as the C7 it is within 5% (according to one of the corvette engineers with whom I converse at the track from time to time). You don't want the front wheels spinning a lot faster than OEM while rears are about the same speed. It can quickly get out of the 5% tolerance. A call to tirerack will confirm how low volume the corvette tire sizes have been through the years. Just try to find tires for a '96 C4. Tire spec spread sheets will list circumferance dimensions. Just find the suitable tire for your uses in an aspect ratio that is above 35 or so. IOW, smaller wheel, larger sidewall. Run flats with 25 ratios are difficult to mount without a lot of work (read - possible damage). Most any tire shop will break them down but lots of luck finding someone willing to mount them. Even more difficult to find a shop that does it with due diligence. Research what tire/wheel combinations will get you in the ballpark and then find suitable tires in that range. It takes a little work but easier than trying to chase down a good tire shop, cheaper too in the long run. Besides, it helps justify those new beautiful expensive wheels.
If every finish on both wheels is substandard it would suggest there is a problem with the surface. So the contention of wheels with marred paint is not necessarily a problem with a particular finish or two? If that is the case, just hope the application gets corrected soon and it has absolutely nothing to do with porosity continuing in the production. That might take awhile to sort out. Are these wheels found on shipping containers sitting off shore? I can understand the frustration. All for the want of a suitable wheel. I guess corvette needs to tighten up on contactors living up to promises. At least when corvette sorts out the problems there is a good chance they won't allow the new batch to suffer the ills of C7 wheels (silver lining).
If every finish on both wheels is substandard it would suggest there is a problem with the surface. So the contention of wheels with marred paint is not necessarily a problem with a particular finish or two? If that is the case, just hope the application gets corrected soon and it has absolutely nothing to do with porosity continuing in the production. That might take awhile to sort out. Are these wheels found on shipping containers sitting off shore? I can understand the frustration. All for the want of a suitable wheel. I guess corvette needs to tighten up on contactors living up to promises. At least when corvette sorts out the problems there is a good chance they won't allow the new batch to suffer the ills of C7 wheels (silver lining).
It is reported that only ~ 150 cars were affected. On some vehicles, only one wheel scratched. On others, maybe two. The plant GM has stated that some of the scratches are very small and some owners wouldn't even notice. But they don't feel right releasing the cars until the wheels meet their standard of excellence. We don't know for sure if they came scratched from the manufacturer or were scratched at the plant. Some intel suggests they were scratched at the plant.
If the C8 A/H has the same tolerance of oversize/undersize as the C7 it is within 5% (according to one of the corvette engineers with whom I converse at the track from time to time). You don't want the front wheels spinning a lot faster than OEM while rears are about the same speed. It can quickly get out of the 5% tolerance. A call to tirerack will confirm how low volume the corvette tire sizes have been through the years. Just try to find tires for a '96 C4. Tire spec spread sheets will list circumferance dimensions. Just find the suitable tire for your uses in an aspect ratio that is above 35 or so. IOW, smaller wheel, larger sidewall. Run flats with 25 ratios are difficult to mount without a lot of work (read - possible damage). Most any tire shop will break them down but lots of luck finding someone willing to mount them. Even more difficult to find a shop that does it with due diligence. Research what tire/wheel combinations will get you in the ballpark and then find suitable tires in that range. It takes a little work but easier than trying to chase down a good tire shop, cheaper too in the long run. Besides, it helps justify those new beautiful expensive wheels.
I think I understand...are you saying that Corvettes generally have been sold with too-low sidewall dimensions, so if you change front and/rear you have to be very careful to coordinate them so they remain within that 5% difference tolerance? The parts of that explanation that resonate with me is that (a) I've never understood the draw of getting the biggest wheels possible since it has to come at the expense of smaller sidewalls, which - I know other say it's not so, but it's been my experience - degrades ride quality while assuring that replacing the tires will be a lot more expensive, and (b) when it's time for winter tires up here in the snowy north, I always opt for a tire/wheel package based on the smallest wheel diameter possibly, preferably at least a 2" drop from OEM. Are these concepts at all related to what you're saying?
I think I understand...are you saying that Corvettes generally have been sold with too-low sidewall dimensions, so if you change front and/rear you have to be very careful to coordinate them so they remain within that 5% difference tolerance? The parts of that explanation that resonate with me is that (a) I've never understood the draw of getting the biggest wheels possible since it has to come at the expense of smaller sidewalls, which - I know other say it's not so, but it's been my experience - degrades ride quality while assuring that replacing the tires will be a lot more expensive, and (b) when it's time for winter tires up here in the snowy north, I always opt for a tire/wheel package based on the smallest wheel diameter possibly, preferably at least a 2" drop from OEM. Are these concepts at all related to what you're saying?
Pretty much it. Corvette likes to bring Michelin on line to formulate a tire just for them in somewhat unique sizes and that causes future problems; sometimes difficult to find replacements and expensive when you do and also a tire that sort of works on track yet can be DOT blessed for street. Sort like training a Weimaraner dog to hunt. The dog can help with many different animals hunted but not as good as dogs for a specific prey. Get a tire that is good for all seasons for DD and an extra set of wheels for track tires if you venture that way. And of course in a size that is easily procured and can by mounted by most any shop. Yes, you can drop the height of the car while maintaining rake and not confusing the computers by going outside tolerant parameters of wheel rpm D from front to rear. You will need to take into consideration wheel clearance of brake calipers and whatever suspension components are hiding behind the wheel inside the inner fender liner. You might want to consider the impact of larger aftermarket brake kits on wheel clearance, too. Fortunately, the aftermarket vendors listed on this forum are very knowledgeable and can be of great help in selecting products that are essentially plug and play. Have fun with it and consider it an opportunity and not a problem. May as well, it ain't gonna get any better.