no C9 speculation
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"Seventeen states follow California's rules, but so far only Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have announced they'll enforce the Advanced Clean Cars II rule and prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles."
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Don't think you're following what is happening in the Country??
"Seventeen states follow California's rules, but so far only Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have announced they'll enforce the Advanced Clean Cars II rule and prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles."
"Seventeen states follow California's rules, but so far only Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have announced they'll enforce the Advanced Clean Cars II rule and prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles."
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Interesting comments.
I'm in the camp of an ice C9.
Like I said in my original post, hard to pick the intro year of the C9.
Time will tell.
On the argument of sooner vs later, the advances are so incredible that I don't see the C9 taking as long a some people are speculating.
But speculating is the key word.
I'm in the camp of an ice C9.
Like I said in my original post, hard to pick the intro year of the C9.
Time will tell.
On the argument of sooner vs later, the advances are so incredible that I don't see the C9 taking as long a some people are speculating.
But speculating is the key word.
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Hell, here in Texas we can barely keep the lights on with our grid and now we are going to plug a couple million cars into this same grid? What rocket scientist had decided that this is a good idea? The politics of the Texas Electric Grid aside (although it is one of my favorite things to bitch about), this past week all you hear on the news is "to conserve". With the record temps, our grid is struggling to keep everyone's AC on. Nearly two winters ago we couldn't keep our homes warm enough....turns out when the power goes out natural gas pumping stations don't run.
The issue this week is that the wind and solar generation sources trend downward as sunset nears, but that happens to be when folks are cooling their homes, watching TV, doing the laundry, and guess what.....charging their cars. While I realize and accept that there will be more EV choices going forward, I think the talk of the internal combustion engines demise are greatly exaggerated.
The issue this week is that the wind and solar generation sources trend downward as sunset nears, but that happens to be when folks are cooling their homes, watching TV, doing the laundry, and guess what.....charging their cars. While I realize and accept that there will be more EV choices going forward, I think the talk of the internal combustion engines demise are greatly exaggerated.
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Glock continues to manufacture older Gens of pistols because Law Enforcement Agencies have contracts with them. The fielding of a new pistol for any cash-strapped agency is a long and cumbersome process. They stick with Gen3 stuff because that is what is in their 30 year contract with Glock. Glock could develop CA-compliant magazines for the newer stuff in 5 minutes. Completely apples to oranges. Glock also happens to have the excess manufacturing capacity to make it all so. Are you implying that Bowling Green has the capacity to run 2 lines of Corvettes? Please....
Racer
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Glock continues to manufacture older Gens of pistols because Law Enforcement Agencies have contracts with them. The fielding of a new pistol for any cash-strapped agency is a long and cumbersome process. They stick with Gen3 stuff because that is what is in their 30 year contract with Glock. Glock could develop CA-compliant magazines for the newer stuff in 5 minutes. Completely apples to oranges. Glock also happens to have the excess manufacturing capacity to make it all so. Are you implying that Bowling Green has the capacity to run 2 lines of Corvettes? Please....
And to answer your question, yes, if Bowling Green can make Sting Rays alongside ZO6’s and E-Rays, then they could certainly build an all-electric version along with them when it comes time for the C9.
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True, but even if all the so-called blue states were to prohibit the sale of gas vehicles which is a big if, the red states including Texas and Florida (2nd and 3rd biggest populations) would never do so and I’m guessing the red states combined make up half the population roughly which would still be a huge market for ICE vehicles. Also, as long as the elephants control at least one of the 2 houses of Congress or the Presidency, I don’t see a federal ban becoming law either any time soon, especially with the elephants in control of the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future.
And it can get worse. Some did not catch the last statement in the Wind Tower Power Solution Speech on the to electric power solution. Yep ~500 foot high foot towers ~15 miles offshore on all US Coasts. In SC a company was bidding 5 that have the equivalent power generation of a Nuclear Power plant.
At the end of the speech it was stated: "And we know cows produce 20 times the earth warming gas as CO2 (methane.) And we have a plan to address that!" Got all the "greeneries" peeing in their paints with excitement- just waiting!
I crunched some numbers. It's interesting Cows are about as bad a Cars! Veggie Burgers are coming!
Funny environmentalist don't appear to care now many more birds will be killed with all those wind towers. But will stop water farmers need to grow food for one frog!
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Far as the base affordable no EV goes, we will get a c8.5 with the updated V8, an interior update, and a minor exterior refresh. If we get a C9 if we are lucky it’ll be akin to the C6 —> C7 step, a heavy refresh, not a true generational update. Honestly that will be fine, as all they really need to do is keep the styling and interior competitive. There’s almost no competition now, there’s no motive for a C7 to C8 type investment.
There’s no will within GM decision makers to support a true C9 I/C. Many things could change that, but it should be obvious it is the path we are on.
My .02 the C7 was the last of the era, the C8 and C8.x could end up being the end of “simple” I/C options. GM has proven time and time again they will kill what people want to make what they think is right.
There’s no will within GM decision makers to support a true C9 I/C. Many things could change that, but it should be obvious it is the path we are on.
My .02 the C7 was the last of the era, the C8 and C8.x could end up being the end of “simple” I/C options. GM has proven time and time again they will kill what people want to make what they think is right.
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I think the C8 production will be longer than the C7 due to earlier pandemic related problems, strike (or strikes), supply chain issues, etc. They’re not up to speed yet w/the E-Ray, and the Z06s are trickling out the door. They still have a GS, or something similar, and their swan song ZR1, Zora, or whatever the new moniker will be.
GM is selling C8's as fast as they can make them. We are starting our 5th model year & still very few new Corvettes on the lots as dealer stock........"Don't fix it if it ain't broke"