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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 07:09 AM
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Jerry, I'm no marketing genius, but I bet GM can do a better job of marketing the all electric Corvette than that. I whipped this up in 5 minutes. They will do much better than this. It might not appeal to us now, but it will appeal to future buyers.


Great job! I don't use my Open Office Photoshop, too much of a pain. All my pics are done with MS Publisher. May use Excel and paste that captured image into Publisher. In fact for the 6 patents I have since retiring used the Excel/Publisher combo for all patent figures. I like Excel as can change Colum/Row width also add stuff! Good enough for me! Lots of paste overs including blank white areas to cover "stuff" underneath. No Pro job BUT quick!

PS May have to use your pic for another EV C9 poster with Mary's Pic and words. Yep, I do believe Mary and company challenge getting young folks excited about EVs. They will have no choice when time comes to buy even grocery getters. Can't worry about us "older folk!"

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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 07:56 AM
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PS May have to use your pic for another EV C9 poster with Mary's Pic and words. .......
Sure, feel free use it. I wish I had done a better job of "pulling the plug". I left a little dent in the car where the plug was that I could have fixed. I used something called 3D paint to extract the car from your image. It has a feature called magic select that will remove an image - and you can save the removed image. Then just copied the car into powerpoint. Then I copied an appropriate picture of lightening into power point, brought the car to the foreground and sized everything.
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 09:06 AM
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Glad you removed the PLUG! I'll fix the hole! Only added because some folks insist they need a plug to tax the existing under capacity electrical grid!

As I speculated in my December 2019 PDF and the leaked article November 2019 mentioned, there were more Corvette hybrids on the way after the "Performance Hybrid" now called the E-Ray. My PDF states Ferrari, who had one of the first "Performance Hybrids" La Ferrari in 2013 as they like GM thought the ~39 mpg requirement for 2 seat sports cars outlined in the 1174-page government report AND press release was the future. Unfortunately, the zealots have moved the goal post and now ONLY zero fossil fuels will be acceptable.

As I stated it was just a question of "mostly" software to turn a "Performance Hybrid" into a high mpg vehicle. Just have to make it a Prius Type with "FORCED" Stop/Start and in "Normal Cruising" only turn the ICE on when you reach ~45 mph. Most Sports Car folks do not want either! Both Ferrari and GM would wait until a "government" took the blame (in the US that was to start in 2017 and the blended "average" of all Corvette's as well as Silverado's where required to achieve ~39 mpg in 2025.) DON'T NEED A STINKING PLUG to do that. Heck a non-plug-in Toyota Prius can achieve >50 mpg in the EPA test!

The advantage is when driving aggressively the electric and ICE can operate simultaneously. EPA tests, City and Highway only measures mpg in their fixed required accelerate to specified speeds, brake and repeat. It only uses ~75 hp and little throttle. In fact, most of the time that is how folks drive!

Yep GM and others are dedicated to follow what is being pushed, zero fossil fuels in 2035 (in US, Europe, Scandinavia etc.) GM and others need to get younger folks "wanting" EVs not just feeling they are being forced! Took blame for the poster with your credited pic!

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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 09:52 AM
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It is well documented it will be a GAS v8. Anything can happen until an official announcement tho
LOL. Nothing about future Corvette generations is "well documented." GM keeps a tight rein on information about future models. Anything you've read is speculation, nothing more.

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Politics aside, they already said the C9 is coming before 2030, same platform but with a heavy refresh, still going to be a V8.
Who is "they"? GM hasn't, and won't, officially announce anything about future products until they're ready to be revealed.
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 10:24 AM
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All I know start collecting ICE cars, they will be a hot commodity in the future.
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 10:28 AM
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I'm sure they're working on a C9, but it's not like it's a priority like the C7 and C8 were. The demand for the C8 has leveled off somewhat, but there's hardly any dealer who has a bunch of them waiting for new owners. While the number of used C8s available for sale has increased substantially, the prices are still at or above MSRP. Too soon to talk about a new model.
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Andybump
Jerry, I'm no marketing genius, but I bet GM can do a better job of marketing the all electric Corvette than that. I whipped this up in 5 minutes. They will do much better than this. It might not appeal to us now, but it will appeal to future buyers.


I'd buy this car. I'm resigned to my next one being an EV. Might as well be a game changer. And this surely is.
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 11:08 AM
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All I know start collecting ICE cars, they will be a hot commodity in the future.
Not really! Know I am unique in having read the 1174-page government report this press release was based on:
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...iency-standard

For those that won't open the Link this is the title: Administration Finalizes Historic 54.5 MPG Fuel Efficiency Standards. The report shows what each "car/light truck family" was required to achieve in 2025. For the Corvette family and Silverado Family on average ~39 mpg. AND NOPE not a gas guzzle tax! Rich Corvette Buyers could not just spend money and destroy the World with CO2 emissions while others scarified! It was a prohibitive fine of the manufacturer.

BUT the report also alludes to it being easy to convert from ICE's. Just raise the gasoline tax! Yep just like Europe's ~$10/gallon gas tax was most used to support their social programs, same could happy here! BUT what about the poor folk? No worry, if you qualify for Food Stamps, you'll get a supply of Gasoline Stamps!
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To go total EV when the electric infrastructure is 40 years behind and without building multiple new technology is not only stupid, it's insanity. Especially since China, India, Africa and large swaths of Asia aren't going to do a damn thing. I predict in about 5 years our government will be bailing out GM & Ford, once again! I must hand it to Toyota who supply's vehicles all over the world is not going 100% on EV's but also making hybrids and hydrogen powered vehicle. That makes sense. And while people love to compare it to going from horse power to autos. Do a little research and you'll see that it wasn't until the 30's that we had a halfway decent infrastructure and the 50's when it finally existed. And God help us if we get into a war.
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Don’t worry. When started college Fusion was just a few years away! Hmm, that was 1960!


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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 11:26 AM
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I also anticipate that for sports cars, there will be increasingly more attractive ways to package the electric motors, and transparent cutaways will focus on advanced suspension components and fancy packaging of internals. They may have artificial sounds, but I bet they get away from ICE sounds and go more for something that implies going into hyperdrive or warp drive. There will be a generation that likes that. The exterior styling is already there with "space age" styling (nacelles, menacing air inlets, etc.). A far cry from the vision in circa 1956. Robby's Car, which debuted in Forbidden Planet. It also appeared in the Twilight Zone episode the Rip Van Winkle Caper (1958) with "updated" seating and the addition of what might pass for nacelles behind the seats was what a car 100 years later (2058) might look like.






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Yep time marches on and we will die and the electric cars will be here and the folks that are here will transition to them.
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Toyota has been slow to move on EVs but in eastern NC the Toyota dealers have NO cars of any kind.
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And it will have the optional Borla simulated exhaust note for $1,495 ....




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This...^^^^


And instead of NPP it will be EFES for electric fake exhaust sound...
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 12:13 PM
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And instead of NPP it will be EFES for electric fake exhaust sound...
As well as your choice of black out or polished stainless steel simulated exhaust tips.
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The fossil fuel car is T Rex. For all intents and purposes. Say it ain't so Joe is sounding its death knell. Before a new Corvette ICE generation can be introduced, it will be illegal to sell it in California. Watched the PGA event last week sponsored by BMW. Featured a dozen+ cars on display around the golf course. All were electrics. EV's are the future and it is now.

Your observation of the PGA and BMW, well, that's because they sponsored the venue and showed what they are being subsidized to produce.

Let the market decide, no subsidies, none of the taxpayer funded nonsense. Let's see, on their merits, if they succeed.
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EVs are not helping the pollution problem that gasoline engines cause. Where do the EVs get their power?? from the grid how is the grid fueled?? BY COAL or Nuclear
So MORE COAL or Nuclear
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I also anticipate that for sports cars, there will be increasingly more attractive ways to package the electric motors, and transparent cutaways will focus on advanced suspension components and fancy packaging of internals. They may have artificial sounds, but I bet they get away from ICE sounds and go more for something that implies going into hyperdrive or warp drive. There will be a generation that likes that. ...
Agree Andy! When I started in R&D worked on one of the oldest welding processes in our company. Very profitable but the next youngest engineer in our department was >10 years older. Often had some saying, when I proposed something innovative, "That won't work we tried that before!" Said when I became a manger would never say that! Things change as well as new folks perspective and skills. Never did!

I see a simple solution to the electrical energy issue as folks add solar panels and frankly when the dream of 500 foot high wind towers ~15 miles from all US shores tanks for cost+ reasons. It's a solution daughter running IT at her alma mater Scripps college in Claremont CA did years ago when they had many Blackouts (as I recall about the time LA was getting screwed over by Enron.) They still won't build power rather buy it from Arizona or Nevada "when needed." They were out of capacity to sell several hot nights! Yep all solar cells folks are putting on their homes don't do Dip at 10 PM!

At the time the 5 Claremont Colleges invested in a gas turbine standby power system. Heck, then half the Scripps students were females (it's an all girls school) from Asia and tough telling parents paying very high tuition the school was closed for no AC! Worked, no more Blackouts!

We recently toured the Duke Power complex in Darlington SC. There is a Nuclear Plant (about ready to run out of life extensions) a Coal fired plate shut down for pollution issues and 7+ huge gas turbine generators! The turbines were bigger than the jet engines on a Dream Weaver! Can be turned on very quickly.

I can see even communities who are mad about blackouts buying a small one. Daughter lives close to her old collage in San Antonio Heights (part of Upland.) They could afford to have one installed. Power company could install one locally and change whatever but it would only be used for filling peak demand.

Heck my neighbor has a farm and tuned 500+ acers into solar panels. Says he can make more money selling power back than he can raising crops. Again all fine when there is sun. Won't be very much when the hurricane coming our way lasts for a few days! We'll see when the zealots get over No Natural Gas and use Math (a subject some skipped when taking Art History) and calculate the CO2 generated for peak shaving it's a drop in the bucket compared to the CO2 generated every hour of every day by China (~65% Coal versus our <19% and India with ~75% Coal.) Coal has twice the CO2 emissions as natural gas/BTU!

Yep Natural Gas powered turbine generators come in many sizes!


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