GO go Gadget Cammed C8
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Racer
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GM has said they want to attract a younger audience for the Corvette. They realized the average age of a buyer has crept up near 70...
Look at other platforms. The manufacturers arent quite as insane around locking everything down.
Cars have been braking and steering by wire long before 2020.
The real reason, is very long term planning and it relates to exactly what you mentioned. Money. Why sell something once when you can sell and require subscriptions. You want Z mode? That'll be 50.00/month. You want PTM Race, that's another 50.00.
It's coming and it sucks. Can't do it without fort Knox level protection for the IP / ECU
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Tuning can make the cam sound like just about whatever you like. Some actually like a super lopey sound (not me). And they will set the timing super retarded to make it loud and bark-y. I like it smoother, quieter, more timing. Easier on the engine and makes better torque at idle as well.
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If those dyno numbers hold up and are repeatable, cars with worked heads and optimized exhaust should be 625-650 crank. I wish we knew exactly what the modifications to the car were. The video says "cam only" but the car clearly has an aftermarket exhaust for example. It would also be great to see the actual dyno graph to see how the curves look in reference to stock. In time it will all come. Potentially exciting times for C8 owners who don't want to go the forced induction route.
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Just saw this on BD Facebook. Looks like 88rwhp gain
Just saw this on BD Facebook. Looks like 88rwhp gain
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If that's the case, good news. That means there was nothing else done to gain any real power over what a stock NPP car would have. I was half worried that the car was kind of a full bolt-on build that then just got this cam which would muddy the waters in determining gains from the cam and tuning. I want to build a 7100rpm/550whp car that pulls hard up top for reasonable money. Once I get into $20K+ on a build, I'd be better off just getting a Z06.
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If that's the case, good news. That means there was nothing else done to gain any real power over what a stock NPP car would have. I was half worried that the car was kind of a full bolt-on build that then just got this cam which would muddy the waters in determining gains from the cam and tuning. I want to build a 7100rpm/550whp car that pulls hard up top for reasonable money. Once I get into $20K+ on a build, I'd be better off just getting a Z06.
a bare-bones Z06 1LZ would be a great car at msrp. Problem is. They arent. (Yet)
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That's the thing. I could get a Z06 easily at MSRP and about as soon as an allocation came up. Just not sure the Z is as good as a Stingray with MSRC as a daily to be honest.
Can your Liigenfelter blower support 950hp? I guess you're thinking Stage 2 with a whole bunch of supporting mods like a cam and extensive headwork to get there? You'll have $70K in that build before you know it, mate.
It's all good as long as you are having fun.
The thing with this car gaining 88whp from the cam and tune is that these NA cars are going to soon be coming for the Stage 1 blower cars. This car at 517whp is sitting somewhere roundabouts 585-590 crank. Throw in some headwork and it is up over 600 crank without the additional weight of the blower. And at about half the cost all said and done. Things are about to get interesting in the C8 aftermarket. If this upgrade path bears real fruit and these cars are a legit 600hp for $15-20K out the door, that kind of leaves the Stage 1 supercharger systems out in the cold. The aftermarket will have to step up and get the tuning dialed in a figure out a way to get the blower cars up to 700+hp to justify the cost.
Can your Liigenfelter blower support 950hp? I guess you're thinking Stage 2 with a whole bunch of supporting mods like a cam and extensive headwork to get there? You'll have $70K in that build before you know it, mate.
It's all good as long as you are having fun.The thing with this car gaining 88whp from the cam and tune is that these NA cars are going to soon be coming for the Stage 1 blower cars. This car at 517whp is sitting somewhere roundabouts 585-590 crank. Throw in some headwork and it is up over 600 crank without the additional weight of the blower. And at about half the cost all said and done. Things are about to get interesting in the C8 aftermarket. If this upgrade path bears real fruit and these cars are a legit 600hp for $15-20K out the door, that kind of leaves the Stage 1 supercharger systems out in the cold. The aftermarket will have to step up and get the tuning dialed in a figure out a way to get the blower cars up to 700+hp to justify the cost.
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Racer
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Forged Internals
Cam
More Boost
Fuel System Improvements
Clutch
Tuned for E85
Sport Cats (Should have done this in round 1)
Add more exhaust heat protection (wrap exhaust and cats)
I don't think it will be $70k all-in, closer to 60k I'd guess... including all the stage 1 stuff. We will see. Not sure yet.
Bigger Q for me will be ....what will the real world performance at 875-900rwhp look like...
I believe the numbers above are somewhat conservative, with a fully built long block + the beefy clutch & axels, I could support 1200hp like the TT cars, so running it around 900 should allow it to be more durable for lots of miles and fun.
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To boost demand. That would be the benefit.
GM has said they want to attract a younger audience for the Corvette. They realized the average age of a buyer has crept up near 70...
Look at other platforms. The manufacturers arent quite as insane around locking everything down.
Cars have been braking and steering by wire long before 2020.
The real reason, is very long term planning and it relates to exactly what you mentioned. Money. Why sell something once when you can sell and require subscriptions. You want Z mode? That'll be 50.00/month. You want PTM Race, that's another 50.00.
It's coming and it sucks. Can't do it without fort Knox level protection for the IP / ECU
GM has said they want to attract a younger audience for the Corvette. They realized the average age of a buyer has crept up near 70...
Look at other platforms. The manufacturers arent quite as insane around locking everything down.
Cars have been braking and steering by wire long before 2020.
The real reason, is very long term planning and it relates to exactly what you mentioned. Money. Why sell something once when you can sell and require subscriptions. You want Z mode? That'll be 50.00/month. You want PTM Race, that's another 50.00.
It's coming and it sucks. Can't do it without fort Knox level protection for the IP / ECU