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NOBODY. Not one purchaser of the Corvette Z06/Z07 can make a complaint about weight unless THEY are 165 lbs. OR LESS. Any driver/owner that is greater than 165 lbs. can purchase carbon wheels. Any driver/owner over the 180 lb. limit must pay ADM. No drivers over 200lbs, full stop. Too heavy for the car.
@Telepierre I was seeing if you could send me (PM is fine) the Turbo S track video - I would like to share it with him. Thank you and Happy Holidays!
No track video. This was a media post from Porsche. I recall it had the picture of a 992 GT3 and a 992 Turbo side by side (don't recall if it was an S) and Porsche was simply pointing out that for the track the turbo is faster and cheek and tongue more expensive. I'll try to find the link again. I did not read the entire thing as you know I really don't care...
Either way I try to be accurate to a fault! I did not state anything about the GT3RS (again it is not in the US yet that I know of) so I feel conflating my message on the GT3 with the GT3RS would do your friend a disservice?
I took my Cayenne on the Ring, its 5000lbs and a PR advertised lap time of 7:xx? and it is just mind bending how they can make that much weight go that fast but more surprisingly how much fun it is.
Only did a handful of laps because I didn't want to destroy the brakes. But the brakes were perfect for two laps, many road cars can't take two laps at the Ring, so still impressive.
Look forward to the Ring laptime for the Z06, many parts are repaved last year and more this year so if they find a nice clear cool day it should be much faster than a GT3RS (6:49, I was there that day). On paper at least so let's find out.
Sorry for the bad video quality after Youtube upload.
Nissan GTRs have been "porky" at around 3800+ lbs since 2008. Plenty of those cars at the track turning massively fast lap times.
Crazy fast, but it felt heavy on a race track and wasn't the best feeling car.. But yeah, crazy impressive regardless for such a heavy car since 2008 (Had one)
BTW, just checked the GT4RS should come in at 3230 with a full tank of gas, so it is possible.
And the GT3RS with the same engine, gearbox (ratio's?) and brakes still only weight about 40lbs more.
All the GT3RS has going for it is adjustability in damping, diff and aero from the steering wheel, but I don't know that 150-175HP and a load of Torque less can be countered with adjustability and 500lbs less than the Z06..
I expect that I will like to drive the Z06 the most from what I can read, exciting times..
Funny, you seem to turn all of these threads into trite Porsche sales figures threads.
Correct and it's the right time do do it because now I have data at hand that shows that all the 'weight' proselyters that were clamoring that the market did not care about power and torque but it was all about weight and gearing NOW have to face their own dog food.
And the GT3 is the quintessential example of the market not buying the car stripping and back to retro narrative.
It was seductive for sure but the market is showing a different reality.
The NSX currently represents one of the production and homologated state of the art the Eray could use as a reference. The NSX is 3970 pounds.
I am going to update that thread with the McLaren Artura US curb weight. I am sure that would be a very hard curb weight to beat or come close to.
You are going to have to eat a whole lot of pizzas to make a new 500 lbs lighter curb weight GT3 have the same laden weight as any adult driving a new Z06. Heavy track cars eat brakes and tires.
You are going to have to eat a whole lot of pizzas to make a new 500 lbs lighter curb weight GT3 have the same laden weight as any adult driving a new Z06. Heavy track cars eat brakes and tires.
I actually know that extremely unbalanced cars like rear engine cars actually consume even more tires and brakes.
My Lotus Elise wasn’t too bad on tires or brakes. It was over 60% on the rear wheels.
I took what he meant to be about handling balance. My C7 GS.R is very loose so it burns up rear tires twice as fast as fronts. It's from the back end sliding a lot rather than wheel spin.
I actually know that extremely unbalanced cars like rear engine cars actually consume even more tires and brakes.
Guys on Rennlist talk about rear tire wear all the time with the 911's due to the rear wheel steering.
That, combined with greater weight over the rear tires, I can see increased wear, though not necessarily to the brakes.