View Poll Results: What percentage did C8 Z06 values decrease based on the slow 'Ring time?
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What percentage did my Z06s value decrease based on the slow 'Ring time?
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(Expecting the reader to know when sarcasm is intended without anything to suggest it is simply being unrealistic).
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Then trade your C8Z for a C7Z, this way you can have bragging rights in the long straightaways. Trust me, not enough people care. Lots of factors go into play. Who was driving both cars? How do you know one was driven softer than the other? How do you know if both cars were prepped correctly? You dont have answers to any of these questions.. Just give it a rest already.
My C8Z06/07 isnt going to be devalued because a C7Z manual beat it in some worthless time lap straightaway..
My C8Z06/07 isnt going to be devalued because a C7Z manual beat it in some worthless time lap straightaway..
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Considering 40 people have voted on this poll and also that same IG account just posted the manual C7Z was faster than C8Z in the long straights is not helping C8Z values at all especially in this market there's validity to value decrease. Most owners never track their cars and a loss in a competition of acceleration against a previous generation vehicle would be embarrassing.
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Tread design makes a difference, but pictures don’t show compound differences. Every tire has an optimal temp and the 2R still showed an optimum time on the first couple laps in the graph at a qualifying pace, then it showed to be consistent at a race pace(less heat from less slip angle) for 12 is the way I understood it. Mero wanted the 2R compound for the C7ZR1, but then the C8Z06 wouldn’t be close to matching it’s performance for marketing purposes and why I think they waited to introduce it on the Corvette as C7Z06 and C7GS wear the same size tires as C7ZR1 did.
It sounds like the special Cup2 ZPs developed for Corvette helped lead to the development of the Cup2r and when you look at the tires they look much more like the 2rs than the regular Cup2s. I am sure they aren't the same compound, but either is the Cup2 ZPs and the regular Cup2s.
This is the podcast where Mero discussed tires (first question) and it dosen't back up much of what you are saying If you have somewhere else he discussed it, please share.
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LOL, Mero never said he wanted 2R tires. The 2R didn't exist when they were developing the C7 ZR1. Mero said he wanted new tires developed for the ZR1 and he specifically mentioned the increased hp as a reason. He then tells the story of him leaving some Porsche factory driver on the Ring in a C7 Z06 with cups zps and after, they were checking out the tires in the padlock. Then year or 2 later the Cup2Rs are released for Porsche and Ferrari. Your comment that they didn't let him get new tires for the C7ZR1 because of the C8Z06 is pure fiction. He basically says it was a cost issue.
It sounds like the special Cup2 ZPs developed for Corvette helped lead to the development of the Cup2r and when you look at the tires they look much more like the 2rs than the regular Cup2s. I am sure they aren't the same compound, but either is the Cup2 ZPs and the regular Cup2s.
This is the podcast where Mero discussed tires (first question) and it dosen't back up much of what you are saying If you have somewhere else he discussed it, please share.
https://youtu.be/zGfox6XAKms?si=FxUj9SZGhPbqDn4D
It sounds like the special Cup2 ZPs developed for Corvette helped lead to the development of the Cup2r and when you look at the tires they look much more like the 2rs than the regular Cup2s. I am sure they aren't the same compound, but either is the Cup2 ZPs and the regular Cup2s.
This is the podcast where Mero discussed tires (first question) and it dosen't back up much of what you are saying If you have somewhere else he discussed it, please share.
https://youtu.be/zGfox6XAKms?si=FxUj9SZGhPbqDn4D
Melting Slicks
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Maybe my assumption is wrong though the Cup2R debuted on the 2018 GT2RS, not sure how long it was in development though it was released before the 2019 C7ZR1 and why I figured it could have been sized for the latter. Porsche got the original Cup tire factory installed before the C6 did in 2011, they got the Cup 2 factory installed before the C7Z07 did in 2015. Not sure why that is, but maybe because Michelin being in France is closer to Germany? Corvette has been behind them in tires, which are the most important piece of the equation as you know. The Cup2R is on basically every car that has run under 7 seconds at the Ring and is the go to tire for maximum factory performance for the past 6 years, Corvette getting it in 2023 on the C8Z06 is late to the party.
Your perception of the Corvette being behind on the use of R tires is also a little off and more has to do with model availability. The point of Mero's story in the podcast was the the Cup2 ZPs were the superior tire (definitely superior to the regular Cup2s) and that Porsche recognized that, went to Michelin and said give me something like that, and got the Cup2Rs. The only reason the Corvette is late to using a tire with the Cup2R name is they didn't have a model to put it on until 2023.
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Assumption? You basically posted false info and tried say it came from Jim Mero. Though you aren't the only one who is doing that.
Your perception of the Corvette being behind on the use of R tires is also a little off and more has to do with model availability. The point of Mero's story in the podcast was the the Cup2 ZPs were the superior tire (definitely superior to the regular Cup2s) and that Porsche recognized that, went to Michelin and said give me something like that, and got the Cup2Rs. The only reason the Corvette is late to using a tire with the Cup2R name is they didn't have a model to put it on until 2023.
Your perception of the Corvette being behind on the use of R tires is also a little off and more has to do with model availability. The point of Mero's story in the podcast was the the Cup2 ZPs were the superior tire (definitely superior to the regular Cup2s) and that Porsche recognized that, went to Michelin and said give me something like that, and got the Cup2Rs. The only reason the Corvette is late to using a tire with the Cup2R name is they didn't have a model to put it on until 2023.
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It's a dumb troll post meant to be inflammatory. And we already have another thread discussing the Sport Auto Ring lap.
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It’s amazing how much people care about ring times. I filed it away in the disappointing but it really doesn’t matter corner of my brain.
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But the satire flew over peoples heads and thought the OP was being serious.
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The successor to the Cup2 is the 2R which came out before the C7ZR1 was released as I stated and Mero wanted a better tire than what was being used on the C6Z07 for the C7ZR1, so why would it not be safe to assume that would have been the 2R as it what was finally used on the next performance Corvette being the C8Z07? The 2008 ACR had the original Cup tires 3 years before Corvette decided to put them on the C6Z07 and C6ZR1, not knocking Corvette just stating facts that most overlook as they don’t understand the importance tires make. Put modern rubber on a C6Z06 and it ran what an E-Ray did at SCCA Nationals on a 3.15 mile track both on 200tw though the C6Z06 was on narrower 315 rears vs the E-Ray on wider 345.
You are talking about Dallas Reed and his stock E-Ray on Vitours. Come on man, is an E-ray😉
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I will agree with you on the Cup 1s. It wasn't just the fact you said he wanted 2rs, which didn't exist when they were doing C7ZR1 development, it was how you claimed the C8 Z06 was the reason he didn't get new tires.
You are talking about Dallas Reed and his stock E-Ray on Vitours. Come on man, is an E-ray😉
You are talking about Dallas Reed and his stock E-Ray on Vitours. Come on man, is an E-ray😉
Yes, the E-Ray is no slouch as it basically ran what the C7Z06 on Cup 2s did at VIR with P4S. Imagine what it would run had they put 2Rs on it? Don’t think they will as it’s like the 911 Turbo, I believe they purposely don’t put 2Rs on it to keep it from being as quick as the GT3.