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Old 02-02-2021, 06:09 AM
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Now that we have the specs on the new Cadillac CT4/5-V series, we know that they went to a supercharged 6.2L engine. Interesting departure from their previous TT platform. And also noted that this will be the last hurrah for their ICE engine lineup as well (love it or hate it)...

This has me wondering what the odds are of Chevy following suit on the new Z06. What if the TT FPC is for the ZR-1 and the Z06 gets a supercharged engine? Just food for thought since we have nothing else right now but speculation lol..

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Originally Posted by ChevyChad
I've heard the same rumors. However, thats not "everything" I've heard. Theres also TT FPC rumors floating around out there too. Some people were thinking the TT blackwing from the previous CTS-V (which we now know the next generation of blackwing engines are supercharged and not turbo'd). Thats what really got me thinking.

Rick @ Conti teased a little that he might know something about the Z06 but he would not say. The only clue he gave was something along the lines of "and you all thought it was going to be..." so this stuck in my head.
I believe it's got to be a 750 HP TT DOHC 5.5 Liter Flat plane crank engine after reading countless speculation and here's why: Let’s think about this. If the GT2 RS is 700 HP from a TT 3.8 L 6cyl and weights 3200 lbs. What would the C8 Z06 have to have in order to compete? GM is benchmarking the C8 Z06 against the GT2 RS as seen by them testing the mules along with a GT2 RS. If the C8 Z06 weighs 3600 lbs they need at least 750 HP to even be close to competing with the GTRS. No way a 600-675 HP NA 5.5 liter car weighing 3600 lbs will do that. So in order to do that in addition to the 5.5 liter DOHC flat plane engine it needs to be Turbo Charged to the tune of 750 HP! I think the 600-675 HP NA leaks are intentionally blowing smoke so they can blow everyone away at the reveal. The C8R puts out 500 HP, the Ford GT 350 puts out 525 from a 5.2 L DOHC Flat plane crank. So a guess as to the street version of the GM 5.5 L flat plane crank is around 550-600 HP. Add twin turbo's to that and you get an additional 150-200 HP or 750 HP. The ZR1 would have the same setup except bigger turbo's, bring the HP to 850. Makes sense to me. And also this: Rick @ Conti teased a little that he might know something about the Z06 but he would not say. The only clue he gave was something along the lines of "and you all thought it was going to be..." Yea And we all thought is was going to be a 600-675 HP NA DOHC flat plane crank!!!!!!



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Everything I have heard from informed sources seems to indicate that the Z06 will be a naturally aspirated, flat plane crank, 5.5 litre motor.
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Everything I have heard from informed sources seems to indicate that the Z06 will be a naturally aspirated, flat plane crank, 5.5 litre motor.
I should have taken the bets months ago when everyone called me dumb for saying that.

I wonder where all those posters went now?? hahaha
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I hope we don't have much longer of a wait to find out for sure.
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Everything I have heard from informed sources seems to indicate that the Z06 will be a naturally aspirated, flat plane crank, 5.5 litre motor.
I've heard the same rumors. However, thats not "everything" I've heard. Theres also TT FPC rumors floating around out there too. Some people were thinking the TT blackwing from the previous CTS-V (which we now know the next generation of blackwing engines are supercharged and not turbo'd). Thats what really got me thinking.

Rick @ Conti teased a little that he might know something about the Z06 but he would not say. The only clue he gave was something along the lines of "and you all thought it was going to be..." so this stuck in my head.
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Originally Posted by ChevyChad
I've heard the same rumors. However, thats not "everything" I've heard. Theres also TT FPC rumors floating around out there too. Some people were thinking the TT blackwing from the previous CTS-V (which we now know the next generation of blackwing engines are supercharged and not turbo'd). Thats what really got me thinking.

Rick @ Conti teased a little that he might know something about the Z06 but he would not say. The only clue he gave was something along the lines of "and you all thought it was going to be..." so this stuck in my head.
I did qualify my post as everything I have heard "from informed sources". Not a knock on Rick. I have heard lots of rumors. We may be surprised, but I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by ChevyChad
I've heard the same rumors. However, thats not "everything" I've heard. Theres also TT FPC rumors floating around out there too. Some people were thinking the TT blackwing from the previous CTS-V (which we now know the next generation of blackwing engines are supercharged and not turbo'd). Thats what really got me thinking.

Rick @ Conti teased a little that he might know something about the Z06 but he would not say. The only clue he gave was something along the lines of "and you all thought it was going to be..." so this stuck in my head.
Stuffing the tried and true LT4 back in a C8Z makes more sense than putting a TT FPC in the C8Z. That car will cost north of 140k. That's why that TT FPC is for the ZR1/ZORA.

But the NA FPC is in the books to go into a car, and it won't go in a grandsport because there isn't any. It won't go in a ZR1 because that's always superior to the z06, so it only makes sense to put it in the z06.

Unless there's 2 versions of the z06. A street going and a track only version. Light weight NA FPC that costs more but only for the track junkies. And a left over LT4/5 as a final hoorah for the C8Z. But i doubt it.

It's certainly looking like the NA FPC.
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Yes it is possible. GM filed a patent for a supercharger that looks like a circular compressor centered at the top of the intake manifold, probably driven by a pinion shaft off the crank. This would satisfy the packaging constraints of the C8 as well as the lack of belt whine or turbo whistle in the spy videos. It would also easily allow >650hp in a 5.5 FPC.
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Originally Posted by capevettes
I did qualify my post as everything I have heard "from informed sources". Not a knock on Rick. I have heard lots of rumors. We may be surprised, but I don't think so.
We can't discount the CAD models that have been floating around for quite some time now though. Yes, that could be for a ZR1 and/ or Zora model.. But we shall see in time I suppose.


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Stuffing the tried and true LT4 back in a C8Z makes more sense than putting a TT FPC in the C8Z. That car will cost north of 140k. That's why that TT FPC is for the ZR1/ZORA.

But the NA FPC is in the books to go into a car, and it won't go in a grandsport because there isn't any. It won't go in a ZR1 because that's always superior to the z06, so it only makes sense to put it in the z06.

Unless there's 2 versions of the z06. A street going and a track only version. Light weight NA FPC that costs more but only for the track junkies. And a left over LT4/5 as a final hoorah for the C8Z. But i doubt it.

It's certainly looking like the NA FPC.
I don't know why you think a N/A version HAS TO go into one of the models. There are no rules stating as such.. I also am not completely convinced there won't be a grand sport. That too is just a rumor at this point. For all we know there could be a grand sport and an E-Ray.

I don't think there will be 2 engine options for the Z06. That is very unlikely and hasn't ever been done before that I am aware of. But there still may be 2 higher up versions from the Z06 if the ZR-1 and the Zora are separate models.

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Yes it is possible. GM filed a patent for a supercharger that looks like a circular compressor centered at the top of the intake manifold, probably driven by a pinion shaft off the crank. This would satisfy the packaging constraints of the C8 as well as the lack of belt whine or turbo whistle in the spy videos. It would also easily allow >650hp in a 5.5 FPC.
Very good points.
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Originally Posted by Z0HS1CK
I should have taken the bets months ago when everyone called me dumb for saying that.

I wonder where all those posters went now?? hahaha
It's not too late. Start a thread asking for bets. I assume you're talking for money, right?
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The ability/option to make an affordable LT4 version that would sell like crazy makes me believe whatever it is, it will sell like never before. It will be an even bigger performance bargain than ever before. Just like the stingray.
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The ability/option to make an affordable LT4 version that would sell like crazy makes me believe whatever it is, it will sell like never before. It will be an even bigger performance bargain than ever before. Just like the stingray.
If you think about it, it makes sense. They have the cooling figured out by now for the LT4. The whole center part of the base C8's bumper is blocked off and it only uses the outer cheek grilles for heat exchangers. This leaves a ton of cooling potential for the middle of the front of the car. Yes, I know there is a frunk there, but they could divert air around that easily and still use surface area real estate of the middle of the front bumper to put another grille there.

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Originally Posted by ChevyChad
If you think about it, it makes sense. They have the cooling figured out by now for the LT4. The whole center part of the base C8's bumper is blocked off and it only uses the outer cheek grilles for heat exchangers. This leaves a ton of cooling potential for the middle of the front of the car. Yes, I know there is a frunk there, but they could divert air around that easily and still use surface area real estate of the middle of the front bumper to put another grille there.
I track a ZLE very hard during Houston summers. My LT4 does not come close to overheating. The C8Z won't come close to overheating either if they LT4 it, TT it, or NA it. They've definitely got it figured out.

I'll add it's also the 10 speed auto. Stays nice and cool and shifts as if God is controlling the logic. The C8Z will be even better I'm guessing.
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Originally Posted by ChevyChad
We can't discount the CAD models that have been floating around for quite some time now though. Yes, that could be for a ZR1 and/ or Zora model.. But we shall see in time I suppose.




I don't know why you think a N/A version HAS TO go into one of the models. There are no rules stating as such.. I also am not completely convinced there won't be a grand sport. That too is just a rumor at this point. For all we know there could be a grand sport and an E-Ray.

I don't think there will be 2 engine options for the Z06. That is very unlikely and hasn't ever been done before that I am aware of. But there still may be 2 higher up versions from the Z06 if the ZR-1 and the Zora are separate models.



Very good points.
There is zero chance if there is a grand sport it will get the NA fpc. The grandsport has always been a base car with a widebody.

Putting the LT4 makes more sense than a TT FPC in the c8z.

Otherwise it's looking like NA FPC for the z06.
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Originally Posted by Z0HS1CK
I should have taken the bets months ago when everyone called me dumb for saying that.

I wonder where all those posters went now?? hahaha
We're all still here being entertained by your uncanny knack of always sounding like a 10 year old.
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We're all still here being entertained by your uncanny knack of always sounding like a 10 year old.
Damn, he's getting younger.
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Yawnnnnnn. Name calling doesn't surprise me.

Will i end up the winner? Or will gm throw a curveball and put something totally different???

Hmmmm. Either way if NA, then there's going to be a lot of
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Originally Posted by Z0HS1CK
I should have taken the bets months ago when everyone called me dumb for saying that.

I wonder where all those posters went now?? hahaha
I’m still here. Not that I called anyone dumb..but I still have my doubts as I did then. I’ve adopted a wait and see approach because honestly, what else can you do but guess? 5.5 FPC NA motor? Maybe..I believe one of those three criteria (displacement, the crank or NA) isn’t going to make the cut. Just my two cents.
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Yawnnnnnn. Name calling doesn't surprise me.

Will i end up the winner? Or will gm throw a curveball and put something totally different???

Hmmmm. Either way if NA, then there's going to be a lot of
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