Mega merge reviews C8Z and Vs everything
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Mega merge reviews C8Z and Vs everything
So as a true lover of cars, I really appreciate the GT3, just as I am very anxious and appreciative of the C8 and C8Z. I have been speculating the Nuremburgring time which shows how serious a car maker is about making a serious fast car vs a toy.
This GT3 RS is just nuts and I believe WILL be fastest production car on the 'Ring with only 518HP. That said, if Chevy can split the GT3 and the GT3 RS with the C8Z then that will be a huge achievement!
The RS will be stickered around $300k, making the $150k C8 still look cheap. Of course you won't touch on of these for less than $400k.
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This GT3 RS is just nuts and I believe WILL be fastest production car on the 'Ring with only 518HP. That said, if Chevy can split the GT3 and the GT3 RS with the C8Z then that will be a huge achievement!
The RS will be stickered around $300k, making the $150k C8 still look cheap. Of course you won't touch on of these for less than $400k.
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10-04-2022, 06:28 PM
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There really is no “vs” here, as that car completely outclasses the Z06. And, the price reflects that.
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I'm always going to have a soft spot for Corvette's but, you have to temper your expectations a bit when it comes to comparing them against Porsche. If the C8 Z06/Z07 can match the GT3, I think that would be an absolutely tremendous achievement on their behalf. If it can match the GT4 RS, I think that would also be fantastic as it would effectively match the C7 ZR1 times and capabilities, which is a huge step forward for Corvette in general.
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I dont think they are comparable. If you watch the youtube videos on GT3RS (especially catchpole's video with AP), you can clearly see this is a cup car with number plates. He says cornering speeds is higher than cup car and the cup car has cornering speeds that are easily 5-7 mph (and in some tracks 10-12 mph) higher than a C7 ZR1. I'm pretty sure in shorter tracks like VIR, this GT3RS will take the crown of lap record by a few seconds.
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I am more philosophical about it. A GT3-RS will perpetually be out of reach for me, but I appreciate that it exists and there are people that make them. Sadly, it does make $160K Z06 w/Z07 look cheap. I think it is cool that they show what can be done with only 518hp. Having said that, if GM can drive around the regular GT3 to a sub-7 minute Ring time at a lower price point it is a huge achievement.
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The good news for all sports car lovers is that each and every iteration and continual improvement of sports car forces all sports car manufacturers keep sharpening the edge of performance.
of all the new sportscars coming out in my personal opinion Im totally psyched for high pitched normally aspirated engines screaming to red-line. Ive sampled them all and the new C8Z06 we have been patiently waiting for will be amazing and 100% badd-*** and sound great . Kudos to porsche too for building high strung 9000rpm NA engines too.
These are wonderful times for car guys. Hopefully chevy will develop and sell to Corvette fans , like me, a harder core track focused C8Z06 GTD PRO or GTLM style IMSA variant. It wont be hard to do simply more aerodynamics, lightweight carbon buckets, light weighted interior and if it comes more kudos to Tadge and his team.
Porsche 992 GT3RS is nutzs and will force others to follow. I’d rather have a 992GT3RS than a 765LT or F8 Berlinetta. Carlisle show next week !
of all the new sportscars coming out in my personal opinion Im totally psyched for high pitched normally aspirated engines screaming to red-line. Ive sampled them all and the new C8Z06 we have been patiently waiting for will be amazing and 100% badd-*** and sound great . Kudos to porsche too for building high strung 9000rpm NA engines too.
These are wonderful times for car guys. Hopefully chevy will develop and sell to Corvette fans , like me, a harder core track focused C8Z06 GTD PRO or GTLM style IMSA variant. It wont be hard to do simply more aerodynamics, lightweight carbon buckets, light weighted interior and if it comes more kudos to Tadge and his team.
Porsche 992 GT3RS is nutzs and will force others to follow. I’d rather have a 992GT3RS than a 765LT or F8 Berlinetta. Carlisle show next week !
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Give GM a development budget to create a 300k Z06x… I’d love to see that comparison.
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By that price comparison, if you put the $150K C8 Z06 up against a Bugatti Chiron, you're getting an even better deal.
Still don't change the fact that Chevrolet is selling a vehicle more than what was advertised, expected, hinted, promised, stated, or valued.
Still don't change the fact that Chevrolet is selling a vehicle more than what was advertised, expected, hinted, promised, stated, or valued.
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This is an unfair comparison.. The new RS has active aero... better chance comparing the GT3... but even that will be difficult to match..
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I heard a rumor that the Zora/ZR1 will have active aero.
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3196lbs with all fluids, that's a big factor in why the GT3/RS can make more performance with "only" ~500hp.
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That's the starting price. There are Porsche dealers who don't charge ADMs but I don't think there are any that do it for people they have never done business with before.
edit: However, I just built one on the configurator and being super careful with options am already at 274K, so 300k is very likely possible if someone wanted to get all the lux options.
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First of all unlike some I am neither a Corvette or a Porsche nut swinger...I am a car enthusiast so I can appreciate anything cool regardless of the manufacturer. That said (3) points.
1) I can really appreciate the GT3rs for what it is...basically a non apologetic RACE car that you can also drive on the road. Good for them...and actually good for all Enthusiasts.
2) I know all of the Aero is functional...but ohh boy is that a busy looking bodywork. Functional? Absolutely Attractive? Not so much. IMO if I knew nothing about Aero for racing I would be very confused on why all of the vents/flaps/winglets....
3) It is fun and I don't take it too serious (some on here do though) but I find it quite comical that we are trying to compare numbers/times of street driven cars to the numbers or a real race car. IF...IF...Chevy wanted to build a race car for the street with a budget in the $300 range there should not be any doubt in anyone's head that they could build a car equal to the GT3rs. The people that make stupid comments like "Chevy CANNOT built a car to compete with ________ fill in the blank" are quite clueless about cars in general...or have never watched an IMSA race! They COULD build a car like that...but the real question is why would they? Personally I would love to see GM do just that and price it in the $300K range and make it a halo track car just as Porsche is doing. Now that would be amazing...but I don't see it happening because GM knows it would take forever to recoup their investment.
As others have said and IMO the new Z06 competitor is the GT3 not the RS version. The fact that we are even discussing performance numbers of the Z06 in between the GT3 and RS models at 1/2 to 1/3 the price is actually quite a compliment to General Motors.
1) I can really appreciate the GT3rs for what it is...basically a non apologetic RACE car that you can also drive on the road. Good for them...and actually good for all Enthusiasts.
2) I know all of the Aero is functional...but ohh boy is that a busy looking bodywork. Functional? Absolutely Attractive? Not so much. IMO if I knew nothing about Aero for racing I would be very confused on why all of the vents/flaps/winglets....
3) It is fun and I don't take it too serious (some on here do though) but I find it quite comical that we are trying to compare numbers/times of street driven cars to the numbers or a real race car. IF...IF...Chevy wanted to build a race car for the street with a budget in the $300 range there should not be any doubt in anyone's head that they could build a car equal to the GT3rs. The people that make stupid comments like "Chevy CANNOT built a car to compete with ________ fill in the blank" are quite clueless about cars in general...or have never watched an IMSA race! They COULD build a car like that...but the real question is why would they? Personally I would love to see GM do just that and price it in the $300K range and make it a halo track car just as Porsche is doing. Now that would be amazing...but I don't see it happening because GM knows it would take forever to recoup their investment.
As others have said and IMO the new Z06 competitor is the GT3 not the RS version. The fact that we are even discussing performance numbers of the Z06 in between the GT3 and RS models at 1/2 to 1/3 the price is actually quite a compliment to General Motors.
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First of all unlike some I am neither a Corvette or a Porsche nut swinger...I am a car enthusiast so I can appreciate anything cool regardless of the manufacturer. That said (3) points.
1) I can really appreciate the GT3rs for what it is...basically a non apologetic RACE car that you can also drive on the road. Good for them...and actually good for all Enthusiasts.
2) I know all of the Aero is functional...but ohh boy is that a busy looking bodywork. Functional? Absolutely Attractive? Not so much. IMO if I knew nothing about Aero for racing I would be very confused on why all of the vents/flaps/winglets....
3) It is fun and I don't take it too serious (some on here do though) but I find it quite comical that we are trying to compare numbers/times of street driven cars to the numbers or a real race car. IF...IF...Chevy wanted to build a race car for the street with a budget in the $300 range there should not be any doubt in anyone's head that they could build a car equal to the GT3rs. The people that make stupid comments like "Chevy CANNOT built a car to compete with ________ fill in the blank" are quite clueless about cars in general...or have never watched an IMSA race! They COULD build a car like that...but the real question is why would they? Personally I would love to see GM do just that and price it in the $300K range and make it a halo track car just as Porsche is doing. Now that would be amazing...but I don't see it happening because GM knows it would take forever to recoup their investment.
As others have said and IMO the new Z06 competitor is the GT3 not the RS version. The fact that we are even discussing performance numbers of the Z06 in between the GT3 and RS models at 1/2 to 1/3 the price is actually quite a compliment to General Motors.
1) I can really appreciate the GT3rs for what it is...basically a non apologetic RACE car that you can also drive on the road. Good for them...and actually good for all Enthusiasts.
2) I know all of the Aero is functional...but ohh boy is that a busy looking bodywork. Functional? Absolutely Attractive? Not so much. IMO if I knew nothing about Aero for racing I would be very confused on why all of the vents/flaps/winglets....
3) It is fun and I don't take it too serious (some on here do though) but I find it quite comical that we are trying to compare numbers/times of street driven cars to the numbers or a real race car. IF...IF...Chevy wanted to build a race car for the street with a budget in the $300 range there should not be any doubt in anyone's head that they could build a car equal to the GT3rs. The people that make stupid comments like "Chevy CANNOT built a car to compete with ________ fill in the blank" are quite clueless about cars in general...or have never watched an IMSA race! They COULD build a car like that...but the real question is why would they? Personally I would love to see GM do just that and price it in the $300K range and make it a halo track car just as Porsche is doing. Now that would be amazing...but I don't see it happening because GM knows it would take forever to recoup their investment.
As others have said and IMO the new Z06 competitor is the GT3 not the RS version. The fact that we are even discussing performance numbers of the Z06 in between the GT3 and RS models at 1/2 to 1/3 the price is actually quite a compliment to General Motors.
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First of all unlike some I am neither a Corvette or a Porsche nut swinger...I am a car enthusiast so I can appreciate anything cool regardless of the manufacturer. That said (3) points.
1) I can really appreciate the GT3rs for what it is...basically a non apologetic RACE car that you can also drive on the road. Good for them...and actually good for all Enthusiasts.
2) I know all of the Aero is functional...but ohh boy is that a busy looking bodywork. Functional? Absolutely Attractive? Not so much. IMO if I knew nothing about Aero for racing I would be very confused on why all of the vents/flaps/winglets....
3) It is fun and I don't take it too serious (some on here do though) but I find it quite comical that we are trying to compare numbers/times of street driven cars to the numbers or a real race car. IF...IF...Chevy wanted to build a race car for the street with a budget in the $300 range there should not be any doubt in anyone's head that they could build a car equal to the GT3rs. The people that make stupid comments like "Chevy CANNOT built a car to compete with ________ fill in the blank" are quite clueless about cars in general...or have never watched an IMSA race! They COULD build a car like that...but the real question is why would they? Personally I would love to see GM do just that and price it in the $300K range and make it a halo track car just as Porsche is doing. Now that would be amazing...but I don't see it happening because GM knows it would take forever to recoup their investment.
As others have said and IMO the new Z06 competitor is the GT3 not the RS version. The fact that we are even discussing performance numbers of the Z06 in between the GT3 and RS models at 1/2 to 1/3 the price is actually quite a compliment to General Motors.
1) I can really appreciate the GT3rs for what it is...basically a non apologetic RACE car that you can also drive on the road. Good for them...and actually good for all Enthusiasts.
2) I know all of the Aero is functional...but ohh boy is that a busy looking bodywork. Functional? Absolutely Attractive? Not so much. IMO if I knew nothing about Aero for racing I would be very confused on why all of the vents/flaps/winglets....
3) It is fun and I don't take it too serious (some on here do though) but I find it quite comical that we are trying to compare numbers/times of street driven cars to the numbers or a real race car. IF...IF...Chevy wanted to build a race car for the street with a budget in the $300 range there should not be any doubt in anyone's head that they could build a car equal to the GT3rs. The people that make stupid comments like "Chevy CANNOT built a car to compete with ________ fill in the blank" are quite clueless about cars in general...or have never watched an IMSA race! They COULD build a car like that...but the real question is why would they? Personally I would love to see GM do just that and price it in the $300K range and make it a halo track car just as Porsche is doing. Now that would be amazing...but I don't see it happening because GM knows it would take forever to recoup their investment.
As others have said and IMO the new Z06 competitor is the GT3 not the RS version. The fact that we are even discussing performance numbers of the Z06 in between the GT3 and RS models at 1/2 to 1/3 the price is actually quite a compliment to General Motors.
‘’they do make that car. It’s the GT3R and they are selling it to the public who want to race.
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I don't think you are correct. The Porsche GT3rs is street legal...the Corvette GT3r is not. I was specifically notated that if GM wanted to build a race car that you could drive on the road (legally). This is what Porsche had done.
Could GM take that GT3r and make some mods so you could also drive on the street? Of course they COULD...the question is will they and/or should they.
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I personally wouldn't mind seeing GM come out with their own competition package for the Z06. It'd be something like... the Z07 package plus a roll cage, manual fixed back buckets with harness accomodations, most 'luxuries' stripped out where ever possible for weight savings, adjustable rear wing etc
There would absolutely be buyers for it.
There would absolutely be buyers for it.
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IMO, you have to start with price and then compare what's out there with a similar price.
Compare the Z06 against 300k cars for fun if you want but if someone is going to buy ONE car only, you either have a real money constrained budget to work with or you set an arbitrary budget no matter what you can ultimately afford.
Most comparison tests use base price with an "As Tested" disclosure. I think we can agree that you could option a Z06 to 180+ but if it's a performance comparison, use $130k for a 1LZ Z07 and then get all the cars in the 110 - 150 price range and see what happens.
GM doesn't compete in the 300k price range for a reason. People are having a really hard time with a 120k Corvette, can you imagine one for 300k?? Or are we already entering the acceptance phase?
Compare the Z06 against 300k cars for fun if you want but if someone is going to buy ONE car only, you either have a real money constrained budget to work with or you set an arbitrary budget no matter what you can ultimately afford.
Most comparison tests use base price with an "As Tested" disclosure. I think we can agree that you could option a Z06 to 180+ but if it's a performance comparison, use $130k for a 1LZ Z07 and then get all the cars in the 110 - 150 price range and see what happens.
GM doesn't compete in the 300k price range for a reason. People are having a really hard time with a 120k Corvette, can you imagine one for 300k?? Or are we already entering the acceptance phase?
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