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Old May 15, 2013 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Comfortably Numb
I definitely don't feel like dealing with transfers and whatnot.
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Old May 15, 2013 | 08:08 PM
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Great gun the shield, I would like the same one.
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Old May 15, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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Frank, it isn't that big of a deal to do a transfer. I have done it several times. It really doesn't take any longer than if you bought it in state and know tax.
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Originally Posted by last toy
Frank, it isn't that big of a deal to do a transfer. I have done it several times. It really doesn't take any longer than if you bought it in state and know tax.
Exactly.. you'd probably save more on tax then the cost of the transfer..
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Originally Posted by Mopar Jimmy
Frank,

As you know from our recent texts and your research, the S&W M&P Shield in 9 milimeter, also offered in .40 caliber, is arguably the hottest carry conceal gun on the market. I was lucky to pick mine up last June from GATS for MSRP ($449) with only a one week wait.

I bet you have yours within a month or so, and you make a great selection my friend! Maxons is selling the same gun for $699, and at that inflated price they told me they are selling them lot hot cakes.

Maxons did have a great price on their law enforement magpull edition Model 6920, Colt AR15, on sale for $1,249, that caught my eye , when GATS was asking $1,900 for the exact same Colt AR15. Maxon's excellent price point for the ultimate AR 15 got me a little
LE6920 is nice... definitely worth it...
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Old May 15, 2013 | 09:54 PM
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Done transfers before and again, don't feel like dealing with it.
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Old May 15, 2013 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by perfectlyfrank
Done transfers before and again, don't feel like dealing with it.
I don't blame him (Frank), I have done both ways many times and its just simply easier walking into a local gun store to pick up your new toy, checking out the EXACT gun you will be receving (not a photo) and driving back 3 days later to pick it up.

Plus, its comes pretty close to the same cost ($) with the $50 most FLE fees that dealers will charge, and tack on $25 these days if the dealer is Cook County with the stupid new "Cook County Violence Tax" that is charged on ALL gun purchases when the dealer resides in Crook County. That unconstitutional law has been in effect since April and cost me $50 already!

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ABC 7 News reported that the FOID processing contract has been pulled/cancelled from "Rely Services"
and a 90 day trial contract has been granted to "Boland" in Indiana. Reason cited in the report was the enormous processing backlog. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...eam&id=9104286


Call your state senator, remind him (or her): One state, one law on carry

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=7570


Bill lets Illinois cities restrict places for guns

http://thesouthern.com/news/local/bi...a4bcf887a.html


CHICAGO ISN’T SAFE: Firefighters enlisted to protect kids on way to school, business robbed across from police station

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=7539


Chicago gun laws bar museum from displaying weapon seized by WWII hero

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/15...#ixzz2TNTvIN5Y

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Concealed-carry legislation emerges in Springfield

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...0,130218.story
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Old May 16, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick Silver Z
Concealed-carry legislation emerges in Springfield

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...0,130218.story
We are going to end up with a law that requires that the gun to be carried in our anus.
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Will County Board tells state lawmakers to pass a concealed carry law

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,4947491.story


Senate panel OKs restrictive bill; full chamber could vote Friday

http://www.galesburg.com/news/news_s...ld-vote-Friday


Concealed carry rules for Illinois emerge but face uncertain fate

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...2.story?page=2


Ill. Senate gun opponents decry 'moral' standard

http://www.nwitimes.com/ap/ill-senat...34af2daf7.html


Senate panel OKs concealed-carry bill over NRA opposition

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Old May 18, 2013 | 05:32 PM
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'Moral character' gone from Ill. Senate gun carry

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Illinois concealed carry bill stalls

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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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Quinn pushes for ban on high-capacity ammo magazines

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Firearms trainers business booming

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5 dead, 18 wounded in city gun violence

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Old May 21, 2013 | 08:08 AM
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URGENT ALERT – YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

MAGAZINE BAN ON THE MOVE IN THE ILLINOIS SENATE


Anti-gun extremist State Senator Dan Kotowski has introduced a ban on all magazines having a capacity exceeding 10 rounds. The bill (SB1002) banning magazines also requires large fines and prison sentences if you are caught with magazines for AR-15 and other modern sporting rifles.

SB1002 IS A BOLD AND BRAZEN ATTACK ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT:

1. SB1002 will have no effect on the criminal use of firearms yet will infringe on the right of law-abiding citizen’s constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

2. SB1002 is a backdoor way to limit your ability to defend yourself and family under the upcoming Illinois concealed carry law.

3. SB1002 is the first step towards the banning of semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.

BLOOMBERG AND THE GUN GRABBERS WILL PUSH HARD TO GET SB1002 PASSED

Magazine bans are on the top of gun controllers’ wish list this year. They want to see Illinois join with the likes of New York, Maryland, California, and now Colorado in the destruction of the 2nd Amendment.

ONLY YOU HAVE THE POWER TO STOP SB1002. ACT NOW OR LOSE ANOTHER CHUNK OF YOUR GUN RIGHTS!

Here is what you need to do to stop SB1002:

1. Call your State Senator and politely tell the person who answers the phone that you are a law-abiding Illinois firearm owner and that you oppose SB1002 and you expect the Senator to vote against the bill when it comes to the floor. If you do not know who your State Senator is, the Illinois State Board of Elections has an interactive search page here:
http://www.elections.state.il.us/Dis...ByAddress.aspx

If you already know who your State Senator is and just need the contact info, you can find that here: www.ilga.gov/senate/.

2. When you call your Senator’s office, you may hear all kinds of nonsense about how SB1002 will not affect law-abiding gun owners. Politely tell the person that you are not interested in hearing that, you are only interested in seeing SB1002 defeated.

3. Pass this alert on to your friends and family and tell them to make calls as well.

4. Post this alert to any and all Internet blogs or bulletin boards to which you may belong.

5. Help keep ISRA on the frontlines of this fight for your rights, go the extra mile and recruit a new ISRA member. Sign them up over the phone at 815-635-3198, or browse to isra.org/join .

SPECIAL NOTICE: DO NOT call Senator Kotowski unless he is your Senator, and even then be very careful. Kotowski has a track record of having the State Police investigate and harass people that disagree with him.



Bill would ban sale of some gun magazines

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May 21, 2013 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago police are warning commuters about a recent increase in robberies on CTA trains and platforms in the Loop.

The suspect steals iPhones and purses with force or the threat of force, according to a community alert issued by police.

Robberies have been reported at train stations in the 200-block of South State Street, the 100-block of North Wabash Avenue and the 100-block of South Dearborn Street.

Chicago police advise CTA passengers to be aware of surroundings, to report suspicious activity immediately and to remain on the scene after an incident when possible.

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Old May 23, 2013 | 09:18 AM
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Is Brandon Phelps’ IL Concealed Carry Bill The Real Deal?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...the-real-deal/


Compromise concealed-carry bill surfaces at Illinois Capitol

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New concealed carry plan emerges

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Old May 23, 2013 | 06:47 PM
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I just got this email from Rep. Morrison.

Dear Frank,

You may have heard that the House will soon be voting on a concealed carry bill, SB 2193. As a constituent who is concerned about 2nd Amendment issues and specifically concealed carry, Representative Morrison would like to have your input on this bill. Personally, he is not very happy with it, especially due to some of the restrictions on where a gun can be carried. However, it may be the only concealed carry bill he gets to vote on before the deadline.

I have attached a summary of the bill for your review. Please let me know your thoughts, both positive and negative, on this bill. The vote could come as soon as Friday, May 24, so a prompt response would be appreciated. Thank you for your help.

Sincerely,

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May 22, 2013
SB 2193 (Forby/Phelps): House Concealed Carry Proposal
● Statewide shall-issue licensing standard;
● Strictly preempts authority of local governments to regulate firearms;
● No special "endorsement" or permit required for licensee to carry in Chicago or Cook County;
● Grants licensee broad right to carry in a vehicle, including within a vehicle in the parking lot of a prohibited area;
● License to be issued by State Police;
● $150 Fee;
● 5-year license;
● 16 hours of training (Including Live Fire Exercise)
Up to 8 hours of training completed in another state can be counted toward this requirement.
Renewal application requires 3 hours of training, plus re-qualification on the firing range.
● Carrying prohibited on public transportation, in State and local government buildings, and in other areas defined in this legislation;
● Effective immediately; Applications to be available within 180 days;
● Allows law enforcement to object to an application on Basis of “clear and present danger to self or others, or threat to public safety,” which triggers review by Concealed Carry Licensing Board (created by this legislation);
● Denial of application by ISP is subject to administrative review, pursuant to the Illinois Administrative Review Law; final administrative decision is subject to judicial review;
● Denial of application by Concealed Carry Licensing Board is subject to judicial review;
● Application to be processed within 90 days (unless subject to review by Concealed Carry Licensing Board).
The time for processing a license application subject to the maximum amount of scrutiny allowed under the provisions of this bill would be approximately 180 days.
While applicants are not required to submit fingerprints, the State Police would be allowed an additional 30 days to process the application if the applicant does not submit a set of fingerprints.

DETAILS
Qualifications for Licensee
○ At least 21 years of age;
○ Has a currently valid FOID Card, or meets the requirements for the issuance of a FOID Card and is not prohibited by law from possessing or receiving afirearm;
○ Has not been convicted or found guilty in this State or in any other state of:
● a misdemeanor involving the use or threat of physical force or violence to any person within the 5 years preceding the date of the license application; or
● two or more DUI violations within the 5 years preceding the date of the license application; and
○ Is not the subject of a pending arrest warrant, prosecution, or proceeding for an offense or action that could lead to disqualification to own or possess a firearm;
○ Has not been in residential or court-ordered treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug treatment within the 5 years immediately preceding the date of the license application; and
○ Has completed firearms training and education component required by this legislation.
○ Fingerprints are optional, but ISP can take an additional 30 days to process application if no fingerprints are submitted.
Fees
New License: $150;
Renewal: $150;
Replace Lost or Stolen License, or Change of Address: $75;
Nonresident License: $300.
Concealed Carry Licensing Board
7 members, appointed by the Governor and coinciding with his/her term;
No more than 4 members from same political party;
Geographic diversity: 3 commissioners from 1st Supreme Court District (Cook County); 1 commissioner from each of the other 4 Districts;
Majority vote required to find applicant eligible or ineligible, or to request additional information from the applicant or law enforcement;
Considers applications only when:
(1) Law enforcement has objected to the applicant; OR
(2) Where the applicant has 5 or more arrests for any reason, that have been entered into the LEADS database, within the 7 years preceding the date of application for a license, or has 3or more arrests within the 7 years preceding the date of application for a license for any combination of “gang-related offenses” (defined in the bill with reference to specific Criminal Code offenses);
If the Board determines by a preponderance of the evidence that the applicant poses a danger to himself or herself, others, or a threat to public safety, the Board shall find the applicant ineligible for a license; if not, the applicant is eligible.
Nonresidents
○ No Reciprocity or Recognition of Licenses Issued by Other States;
○ Qualified Applicants Shall Be Issued Licenses;
○ $300 Fee;
○ Nonresident non-licensee with right to carry in home state may carry within a vehicle in Illinois.
Prohibited Areas
○ Property under the control of an elementary or secondary school;
○ Property under the control of a pre-school or child care facility;
○ Property under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government (with exception for DNR-regulated areas where carrying firearms is allowed);
○ Courthouses;
○ Libraries;
○ Airports;
○ Gaming facilities;
○ Stadiums, arenas, sporting events;
○ Amusement parks;
○ Museums and zoos;
○ Buildings under the control of a unit of local government;
○ Property under the control of an adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison, or jail;
○ Property under the control of a public or private hospital, mental health facility, or nursing home;
○ Public transportation (buses, trains, and stations);
○ Property under the control of an establishment that serves alcohol on its premises, if more than 50% of the establishment's gross receipts come from the sale of alcohol;
○ Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government (with exception for a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle);
○ Any building or real property that has been issued a Special Event liquor license during the time designated for the sale of alcohol by the special event liquor license;
○ Public playgrounds;
○ Any public park, athletic area, or athletic facility under the control of a municipality or park district (with exception for licensee from carrying a concealed firearm while on a trail or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park);
○ Any real property under the control of the Cook County Forest Preserve District;
○ Colleges and universities: Any building, classroom, laboratory, medical clinic, hospital, artistic venue, athletic venue, entertainment venue, officially recognized university-related organization property, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks, and common areas under control of a public or private community college, college, or university.
Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a public or private community college, college, or university from:
(1) prohibiting persons from carrying a firearm within a vehicle owned, leased, or controlled by the college or university;
(2) developing resolutions, regulations, or policies regarding student, employee, or visitor misconduct and discipline, including suspension and expulsion;
(3) developing resolutions, regulations, or policies regarding the storage or maintenance of firearms, which must include designated areas where persons can park vehicles that carry firearms; and
(4) permitting the carrying or use of firearms for the purpose of instruction and curriculum of officially recognized programs, including but not limited to military science and law enforcement training programs, or in any designated area used for hunting purposes or target shooting.
○ Any area where firearms are prohibited under federal law.
Private Property Owners
May prohibit the carrying of firearms on their property, subject to the parking lot exception.
Signs Notifying Licensees of Prohibited Areas
Prohibited areas and private property designated by the owner (except private residences) as a no-carry zone must post 4”x6” signs clearly and conspicuously at the entrance of the property to notify licensees that the carrying of concealed firearms is prohibited on the premises.
Pass-Through Provisions
A licensee shall not be in violation of a prohibited area while he or she is traveling along a public right of way that touches or crosses any prohibited area if the concealed firearm is carried on his or her person in accordance with the provisions of this legislation or is being transported in a vehicle by the licensee in accordance with all other applicable provisions of law.
Parking Lot Exception
A licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location shall be permitted to carry a concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle into the parking area and may store a firearm or ammunition concealed in a case within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in the parking area. A licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's trunk, provided the licensee ensures the concealed firearm is unloaded prior to exiting the vehicle. For purposes of this subsection, a "case" includes a glove compartment or console that completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other similar container.
Carrying Under the Influence
Prohibited and subject to criminal penalties. A provision granting implied consent for a sobriety test if a police officer has reasonable suspicion that a licensee carrying firearm is intoxicated has been removed from the bill.
Duty to Inform Police
Provides that, if an law enforcement officer initiates an investigative stop of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.
Penalties for Violations
Carrying under the influence or violating prohibited area is a Class B misdemeanor (up to 6 months in jail or 2 years of probation, plus a fine up to $1,500 and an additional $150 fee).
Second or subsequent violation is a Class A misdemeanor (under 1 year in jail or 2 years of probation, plus a fine up to $2,500 and an additional $150 fee).
Suspension or Revocation
Provides for suspension of a license (up to 6 months) for a second violation, and permanent revocation for 3 or more violations.
Privacy: FOIA and Open Meetings Act
Applicant and Licensee information is not subject to FOIA. Concealed Carry Licensing Board proceedings are not subject to Open Meetings Act (but records of proceedings must be kept in the event of administrative or judicial review).
Mental Health Reporting
Clarifies existing duties of health professionals, courts, school personnel, law enforcement, DHS, and ISP to identify and report information regarding disqualifying mental health conditions, orders of protection, and other firearm prohibitors, and to ensure that prohibited persons do not possess FOID Cards or firearms.
Aggravated UUW Revisions
Amends Criminal Code weapons provisions declared unconstitutional by Seventh Circuit, in order to accommodate concealed carry by persons licensed under the provisions of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.
Preemption of All Local Government Regulation of Firearms
Provides that “[t]he regulation, licensing, possession, carrying, and transportation of firearms are exclusive powers and function of the State. Except as explicitly provided in this Act, a home rule unit may not regulate or license any matter related to firearms, including the possession, carrying, and transportation of firearms. This Section is a limitation under subsection (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution on the exercise by home rule units of powers and functions exercised by the State. Any municipal law or ordinance inconsistent with this Section shall be invalidated upon the effective date of this Act.”
Consolidation of Cards Conferring Firearms Privileges
New applicants for a carry license need not have a valid FOID Card (but still must qualify for one). For such an individual, the carry license shall serve as his or her FOID Card.
The bill also creates a 7-member Task Force to study consolidating the FOID Card and Concealed Carry License into a single card. The four legislative caucus leaders would each appoint one member; the other members would be appointed by the Director of ISP, the Secretary of State, and a member representing the NRA and appointed by the Speaker.

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Old May 24, 2013 | 06:19 AM
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Too restrictive. No reciprocity. What a piece of crap!
I think Constitutional carry would be better.
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Quinn, Emanuel lash out at Madigan gun bill
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,3277888.story

Gang Banger Carry

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Five minute training requirement...gotta learn how to hit gangsta style with the pistol sideways, no failure for hitting bystanders during qualification..
Carry anywhere
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NRA, ISRA, and Illinois Carry take the blame for everything you do!!!



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Lombard shooting range reopening after small fire
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I just got this email from Rep Morrison. I agree with him.

Frank,

We met this morning and decided this is the best we're going to get under the circumstances. If we don't pass, there's no way constitutional carry would happen. We need 71 votes to get this passed because we're pre-empting municipal home rule, and we need to be veto proof. Gun opponents only need 60 yes votes to get far more restrictive provisions, like "may issue," instead of "shall issue."

Can't go into greater detail right now because we're debating the bill right now... There are definitely pros and cons, but slightly more pros than cons. We can continue to work on removing some of the prohibitions after this passes and people get used to IL concealed carry.

Thanks again for getting back to me and for your support.

Tom

State Representative Tom Morrison - 54th
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Palatine, IL 60067
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