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Racer
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From: Enterprise Al
engine pad
I have the original block and it is at the machine shop getting hot tanked and fluxed. It had been machined prior to me getting it and i just wanted to make sure it was right. I asked them about restamping the pad. He said I would be better off contacting a company out of Atlanta who sells you the proper sized numbers in a row so you can restamp it with one blow instead of having missaligned numbers and letters. Anybody have the company contact info?
Melting Slicks
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It's not only the stamping but also the machined surface that people are looking at. If it's been machined you're going to have to get the surface "re-broached" to have an original look.
And then you'll have to be very careful to make sure the new stampings look proper for the time your engine would have been assembled.
It's all very sophisticated now. There are guys with pictures of thousands of factory stampings and they'll find cars made on the same day as yours and engines assembled the same day to make sure everything lines up.
Unless a restamping is done by an expert (only a couple in the country) then almost anyone will be able to detect that it was redone.
If you kept pictures of the original stampings before they were ground off that would help a lot.
In the end it might not be worth the effort and expense.
And then you'll have to be very careful to make sure the new stampings look proper for the time your engine would have been assembled.
It's all very sophisticated now. There are guys with pictures of thousands of factory stampings and they'll find cars made on the same day as yours and engines assembled the same day to make sure everything lines up.
Unless a restamping is done by an expert (only a couple in the country) then almost anyone will be able to detect that it was redone.
If you kept pictures of the original stampings before they were ground off that would help a lot.
In the end it might not be worth the effort and expense.
Drifting
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I have the original block and it is at the machine shop getting hot tanked and fluxed. It had been machined prior to me getting it and i just wanted to make sure it was right. I asked them about restamping the pad. He said I would be better off contacting a company out of Atlanta who sells you the proper sized numbers in a row so you can restamp it with one blow instead of having missaligned numbers and letters. Anybody have the company contact info?
Le Mans Master
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From: Westport CT
Originally Posted by vetarun
I have the original block and it is at the machine shop getting hot tanked and fluxed. It had been machined prior to me getting it
Originally Posted by Seaside63
It's not only the stamping but also the machined surface that people are looking at. If it's been machined you're going to have to get the surface "re-broached" to have an original look.
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Unless a restamping is done by an expert (only a couple in the country) then almost anyone will be able to detect that it was redone.
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Unless a restamping is done by an expert (only a couple in the country) then almost anyone will be able to detect that it was redone.
the company identified by win1876 is one such "expert" (just ask some of the folks on this forum who shall go nameless for now) but you'd want the pad properly "broached-up" by them too, a properly-done restamp on a bad-looking pad will get you nowhere, and won't fool most folks these days when you try to pass off your "creation".
Melting Slicks
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However, just know that your pad will never be the same height as it once was an expert will most likely be able to tell that it is a restamp. However, with that said, i have seen many pads that i would have called fake, but were actually 100 percent correct-crooked numbers, deep deep broach marks, etc
Le Mans Master
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From: Rocklin California
What about us guys who have a correct motor, correct dates, not Vin numbers matching that are re-building the motor and do not care about broach marks or trying to pass the motor off as NUMBERS MATCHING but just correct and would like a original looking stamp on the pad? Not trying to cover anything up, just going for period correct and original looking. Still would want a clean looking stamp and not something home made or Bubba looking. 
Le Mans Master
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From: Westport CT
What about us guys who have a correct motor, correct dates, not Vin numbers matching that are re-building the motor and do not care about broach marks or trying to pass the motor off as NUMBERS MATCHING but just correct and would like a original looking stamp on the pad? Not trying to cover anything up, just going for period correct and original looking. Still would want a clean looking stamp and not something home made or Bubba looking.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Mission Viejo California
What's that old saying, "Go Big or Go Home" ???
Or for fun, just punch out your numbers on a Dymo label maker and stick 'em on the pad !
Team Owner
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From: Huntsville AL
What about us guys who have a correct motor, correct dates, not Vin numbers matching that are re-building the motor and do not care about broach marks or trying to pass the motor off as NUMBERS MATCHING but just correct and would like a original looking stamp on the pad? Not trying to cover anything up, just going for period correct and original looking. Still would want a clean looking stamp and not something home made or Bubba looking.
And yes this is a hobby to 95% of Corvette owners.
Le Mans Master
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From: Rocklin California
If you're gonna do it then do it right. The only thing that won't look bubba is to get it properly rebroached and correctly stamped. Anything less is easily spotted and I would think embarrassing.
What's that old saying, "Go Big or Go Home" ???
Or for fun, just punch out your numbers on a Dymo label maker and stick 'em on the pad !
What's that old saying, "Go Big or Go Home" ???
Or for fun, just punch out your numbers on a Dymo label maker and stick 'em on the pad !
Drifting
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You can buy the stamps and gang holders from Columbia or Schmidt Marking, and go into the restamping business for yourself!
http://columbiamt.com/Hand%20Tools/H...w_to_order.htm
http://www.gtschmidt.com/typeholders/hand/index.html
http://columbiamt.com/Hand%20Tools/H...w_to_order.htm
http://www.gtschmidt.com/typeholders/hand/index.html
Le Mans Master
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From: Rocklin California
You can buy the stamps and gang holders from Columbia or Schmidt Marking, and go into the restamping business for yourself!
http://columbiamt.com/Hand%20Tools/H...w_to_order.htm
http://www.gtschmidt.com/typeholders/hand/index.html
http://columbiamt.com/Hand%20Tools/H...w_to_order.htm
http://www.gtschmidt.com/typeholders/hand/index.html
Le Mans Master
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From: Westport CT
If you are so into having a correct looking stamp pad, buy a 327 from a C2 that bears a perfect, original stamp - just won't match your VIN, but anyone casually looking at your pad won't know that.
Or stamp the pad to say something fun, like "VIN GOES HERE" or something . . . .
but for God sakes don't put another fake restamp into circulation inside a C2 (ok, that last part was my own stupid opinion, sorry)
Drifting
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You can buy the stamps and gang holders from Columbia or Schmidt Marking, and go into the restamping business for yourself!
http://columbiamt.com/Hand%20Tools/H...w_to_order.htm
http://www.gtschmidt.com/typeholders/hand/index.html
http://columbiamt.com/Hand%20Tools/H...w_to_order.htm
http://www.gtschmidt.com/typeholders/hand/index.html
Loren, the fonts and characters on these stamp sets may, in some cases, appear correct but a judge will spot the difference right away.
Pro
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From: scotts mi
If you are so into having a correct looking stamp pad, buy a 327 from a C2 that bears a perfect, original stamp - just won't match your VIN, but anyone casually looking at your pad won't know that.
Or stamp the pad to say something fun, like "VIN GOES HERE" or something . . . .
but for God sakes don't put another fake restamp into circulation inside a C2 (ok, that last part was my own stupid opinion, sorry)
Drifting
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You simply cannot control who buys/sells your car after you no longer own it. Ctjackster is right, these cars get flipped and passed around and five years from now someone is going to be selling an "orignial drivetrain" car to an uninformed buyer. That buyer is going to get screwed, period. So, yes it is a pitfall, but one we are trying to eliminate. How would you feel if you were that buyer?
Have you watched Barrett Jackson? This stopped being a "hobby" a long time ago. There is BIG money involved here and that attracts the "sharks". Unknowing buyers are shark bait.
Drifting
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Melting Slicks
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Look at "The Last Stingray"
The reality is that this car is worth more money as a "numbers matching motor" car than not.
A good analogy would be the following.
Take 2 women:
- each has the following options:
impressive T&A
upgrades of fiscal responsibilty and intelligence
gymnast capabilties
both natural black haired women
Consider blonde hair to be the equivalent of "matching numbers." It seems that more men prefer the blonde - even though they know it's fake. Do the masses seem to care - NO. It's market driven.
A fake #'s matching stamp pad is worth more than no stampad at all - that's the reality.
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At BJ (standing for Barret Jackson, no pun intended) you can get both a matching numbers car and a blonde - chances are you'll overpay for both. But, with a few shots and beers - nobody seems to care and they all seem to be quite content.
The reality is that this car is worth more money as a "numbers matching motor" car than not.
A good analogy would be the following.
Take 2 women:
- each has the following options:
impressive T&A
upgrades of fiscal responsibilty and intelligence
gymnast capabilties
both natural black haired women
Consider blonde hair to be the equivalent of "matching numbers." It seems that more men prefer the blonde - even though they know it's fake. Do the masses seem to care - NO. It's market driven.
A fake #'s matching stamp pad is worth more than no stampad at all - that's the reality.
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At BJ (standing for Barret Jackson, no pun intended) you can get both a matching numbers car and a blonde - chances are you'll overpay for both. But, with a few shots and beers - nobody seems to care and they all seem to be quite content.
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Drifting
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Look at "The Last Stingray"
The reality is that this car is worth more money as a "numbers matching motor" car than not.
A good analogy would be the following.
Take 2 women:
- each has the following options:
impressive T&A
upgrades of fiscal responsibilty and intelligence
gymnast capabilties
both natural black haired women
Consider blonde hair to be the equivalent of "matching numbers." It seems that more men prefer the blonde - even though they know it's fake. Do the masses seem to care - NO. It's market driven.
A fake #'s matching stamp pad is worth more than no stampad at all - that's the reality.
The reality is that this car is worth more money as a "numbers matching motor" car than not.
A good analogy would be the following.
Take 2 women:
- each has the following options:
impressive T&A
upgrades of fiscal responsibilty and intelligence
gymnast capabilties
both natural black haired women
Consider blonde hair to be the equivalent of "matching numbers." It seems that more men prefer the blonde - even though they know it's fake. Do the masses seem to care - NO. It's market driven.
A fake #'s matching stamp pad is worth more than no stampad at all - that's the reality.
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