And don't forget you can make your own broach marks with a belt sander - with a little skill, you could fool the cruise-night crowd.

 

The #1 reason "Numbers Matching" has destroyed this "Hobby".

People stamp pads for $$$$$$... period. That missing little number is NOT a glaring restoration error.

"I don't want to rip anyone off, I just want it to look like it came from the factory"

Gotta throw another flag on that one.

I'm sure some don't agree, but that's my opinion.

 

The value that we place upon numbers and the importance of the appearance of orginality (NCRS judging, Bloomington Gold) has provided people with the motivation to defraud.

A few well known dealers will re-stamop their cars and then get them judged becausw thing brings more $ at sale time.

Not everyone's conscience guides them - the major dealers are a good example. They are motivated by profit more than anything else. If pink Corvettes brought more money - they would start painting them pink. Numbers matching cars bring more money - the end justfies the means for alot of people out there.

 

I love this forum.........it keeps getting better and better and it is always put in terms that I can understand!!!!

 

beautiful !


btw, I can't think of anything I'd rather be doing to close out 2006 than having a nice, good ol fashioned, restamping debate on the CF with all my debate partners!

Happy New Year, keep it clean but keep those opinions coming!

 

still looking for RPOBJ once married myself . . . . ..

 

How about a PT thread to close out 2006

 

Ken, you do whatever YOU want to do with the car.. It's yours.. I am in the same boat as you and will be stamping my block also because I want it as close as I can to looking like it was original. IF I ever sell the car it will be listed as a "restored motor" and not original. What some else does if they sell it is out of my hands and my conscience is clear. While I AM an NCRS member, every thing being relative I am there for knowledge and friendships (which I have here also )... Nothing more nothing less..
Why engines bring more $$ if they are original I don't know and don't really care... If someone years ago decided that orginal interiors or carpeting or guages, whatever, made a car worth more $$$ then that would have been the thing to imitate.. IMHO the ONLY REAL TRUE cars worth the $$$ are SURVIVORS... Everything else is restored just LIKE my engine, your carpet, seats, headliner, guages you name it... That is unless you can find NOS stuff...
This is not a business for me, it is my hobby and just something that I enjoy... As a matter of fact when the local club that I am in has shows, they are "clean and shines".. The car needs to be correct, but no numbers are looked at.. Everyone has a great time and I've made alot of great friends... That's what I'm in it for...

/joe

 

AMEN...........

 

Don't forget we have our weekly-Keisler bashing thread going on right now, too.

 

All the more reason why it makes no sense to be stamping your pad with numbers that add ~25% to the value of the car, if passed off as original at some point - I am all for freedon to do what you want, but in my opinion, you are doing the hobby we so cherish a great diservice by adding to the restamp plague.

 

Ct,

So tell me, did you(or anyone else) repaint your car or redo the interior? Same as what matches your trim tag? Why?? Because you and I want our cars to be as orginal as possible, just different degrees.. While I like Maroon, I like Blue a heck of alot better, but this is what I could afford at the time and what was available.. It will be what is was... I guess we just have to agree to disagree then..

In any case enjoy your holidays everyone and be safe..

/joe

 

If the engine is not the original, why pretend it is? If you want a numbers matching car then spend the extra bucks buy one that way. Then hope someone before you didn't re-stamp the engine and disclose it to the next buyer. Only you are farther down the chain of ownerships and it is not disclosed to you.

Do you see what we mean? No matter what your intent is and how honest you would be, you did the re-stamp. You would have some responsibility to the last owner. IMHO.

 

Ah, the same old stuff, over and over again. Lots of the same people.

NO COMMENT from me. I promised to stay out of these engine stamp threads, and I will.

Just wanted to let "you all" know that I've been lurking.

Someone should do a Forum search, and then "cut and paste" the links to them on any thread someone posts about engine stamps.

It would save a LOT of bandwidth.

Happy and SAFE New Year to everyone. Chuck

 

The fact in this hobby is that having good repro interiors and paint adds value over worn out originals (worn out, maybe not survivor). The same is not true for engines. You can argue that rebroaching and restamping is just restoration like putting in a new interior, but the fact is people do care about the original engine and pay good money to get it. IMO I don't see a legitimate reason to go to that much trouble and expense to make a NOM look original. Trying to work through all the BS when trying to buy a car is already a pox on the hobby, why add to it?

 

Or, do it right by hand, and you can even fool some NCRS judges.

 

You guys took this way too far. I think I will leave the correct engine that would have been put in my car (with all the correct parts, date castings, exact motor, that was in a car almost the same day as mine), without a stamp. Then I can say it's a 100% correct motor for the car, dates and all but it did not come with the car and hence, no stamp! Now you guys will say no, you can't do that because someone, someday, will have it stamped with the correct number matching. So if I do it and don't hide the fact it is a re-stamp by not broaching the pad, I'm not good for the hobby even though I go to the expense of buying all the dated correct, casting correct, parts that this car would have and spend more money building the motor, I am damaging the hobby and should just leave the wrong motor in the car and not try to make it correct? Oh, I see.........this might hurt those cars value that have correct numbers or good re-stamps. Lets let PRO TEAM and the likes do it for profit but the enthusiast who is trying to restore the car correctly for the love of it should not because that would be wrong. And lets make sure the guys out there with big buck cars don't get hurt because there are a few more correct motors cars becoming available. The few of us who want to take that project on and find CORRECT parts and make a correct car are few and far between. I don't see that it will hurt the hobby. In fact, I feel it will help put these cars back to what they once were. But then when I add A/C I am sure I will hear it from the forum my car didn't come with A/C so I should suffer in a coupe in 115 degree weather in Sacramento. Or if I add power steering and brakes that would be wrong too. Yep, but it's my choice, nobody else's unless you want to buy the car from me and for a lot more than I paid LOL! Or maybe I will stamp it with YOUR VIN number so you can't have a numbers matching motor cause I have your number ha, ha, ha. I would think better my number on the motor than someone else's!

 

here, stamp it with what is on my pad: 5114316 F0329HH - there's the L76 you are building

 

can I have your VIN tag also??

 

Anyone dropping the big dollars that these cars are getting should be able to point out a fake car / re-stamp. The tools and knowledge is out there or hire an expert. Would you drop $150K on a house without a home inspection? Same goes for a $50-100K car.