SERIOUSLY thinking about this engine....
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Le Mans Master
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SERIOUSLY thinking about this engine....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SB-Ch...1405QQtcZphoto
They have a 100% positive feedback and I have talked to the owner and he was very helpful. As much as I would like to have a 496BB, the 408" SB is definetly more economical and would be easier to install in my SB coupe. What do you engine guys think about a 4" stroke SB? Think it would be a lazy revver? I want as much torque as I can get out of a SB. That price can't be beat. He adds $500 for a custom built, pro-form 750 DP installed and dynoed on my engine. About $5500 dynoed and shipped. I think 510/510 should be good for mid-high 11s with a good stall converter.. What you guys think?
They have a 100% positive feedback and I have talked to the owner and he was very helpful. As much as I would like to have a 496BB, the 408" SB is definetly more economical and would be easier to install in my SB coupe. What do you engine guys think about a 4" stroke SB? Think it would be a lazy revver? I want as much torque as I can get out of a SB. That price can't be beat. He adds $500 for a custom built, pro-form 750 DP installed and dynoed on my engine. About $5500 dynoed and shipped. I think 510/510 should be good for mid-high 11s with a good stall converter.. What you guys think?
Melting Slicks
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He's got 100% feedback, but how many of those customers left feedback after they've beat on their engine for a few months...
Durability is what makes a high HP motor expensive. Just my .02 cents.
Good luck in whatever route you take.
Durability is what makes a high HP motor expensive. Just my .02 cents.
Good luck in whatever route you take.
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Le Mans Master
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THanks Joe.
Actually its a 4 bolt main 350 block with a 4.0" crank. A 383 is a 350 block with a 3.75" crank.
ITs just a longer stroke stroker so to speak.
I talked to Lloyd a few months ago about it and then he was advertising it as 470hp but that was with a flat tappet hyd. The engine now is hyd roller with Dart Pro 1 heads. It looks like its all forged I just home its not chinese parts in it. He said he sells a lot of them and it would run well in a heavy, highway geared vette.
Actually its a 4 bolt main 350 block with a 4.0" crank. A 383 is a 350 block with a 3.75" crank.
ITs just a longer stroke stroker so to speak.
I talked to Lloyd a few months ago about it and then he was advertising it as 470hp but that was with a flat tappet hyd. The engine now is hyd roller with Dart Pro 1 heads. It looks like its all forged I just home its not chinese parts in it. He said he sells a lot of them and it would run well in a heavy, highway geared vette.
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I am thinking of asking him for a written quote. I want to know what brand the rotating assy is. I know the pistons are Mahle forged but there is no brand or model listed for the rotating assy. All it says is 4340 crank and H beam rods. I am sure what ever is in it would be MORE then strong enough for what I am going to do with the car. I think if this engine is really everything they advertise it as, it would be the best bang for the buck i have seen yet. When I talked to Lloyd, he told me I was more then welcome to fly out to NC and watch them dyno-tune it. That seems a little excessive but...food for thought. I am still kind of leaning towards building/buying a 496" but it would definetly be $2-3k more money, plus additional costs of converting to BB pulleys/brackets, radiator, fan and some sort of hood change, I think I could swallow $5500 turn key but $8-9k turn key for 50-70 more hp is not cost effective for me. I just want it to run 11s NA.
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maybee im cynical or distrustful or something but i really have a hard time believing that the motor you get actually is ever on a dyno. maybee the prototype was to establish what it makes but i just dont buy that when you send em an extra 500 that you get the carb and dyno time. several motors ago i requested to be there when my motor was on the dyno. it was actually a very exciting thing. the number generated was 487hp and i got the chart readouts etc. a year later it was discovered that my engine builder whom i had on an extremely high pedistal, was found to be manipulating the calibration on his machine. some local racers set him up and found he was fudging some 50 hp. so just be careful with such a large purchase from a stranger very far away. i think its better to stay local and find a reputable builder who will stand behind his product.
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Le Mans Master
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Originally Posted by rastadr
maybee im cynical or distrustful or something but i really have a hard time believing that the motor you get actually is ever on a dyno. maybee the prototype was to establish what it makes but i just dont buy that when you send em an extra 500 that you get the carb and dyno time. several motors ago i requested to be there when my motor was on the dyno. it was actually a very exciting thing. the number generated was 487hp and i got the chart readouts etc. a year later it was discovered that my engine builder whom i had on an extremely high pedistal, was found to be manipulating the calibration on his machine. some local racers set him up and found he was fudging some 50 hp. so just be careful with such a large purchase from a stranger very far away. i think its better to stay local and find a reputable builder who will stand behind his product.
Lloyd told me that they dyno each engine they build, BUT they use the shop's own 750 DP and big tube headers for dynoing. They don't "dyno tune" that combo seeing as how you are not actually getting that carb. They mainly use it for a test bud to break your motor in on the dyno. He mentioned the best thing to do was to send them the carb you want to use or buy one from them and they will dyno tune it for you, along with your distributor.
I am leary about things also.
I think before I do anything I am going to talk to 427Hotrod about building an engine. He is in my neck of the woods and probably has connections to reasonable machine shops and builders.
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Originally Posted by Redshark6974
i think theres a guy on the forum who bought a 383 from these guys and has good experience with it. Looks like they got some good deals.
I was considering a local shop here in Richmond but they couldn't touch his price on an apples to apples parts build. The local shop did not have a dyno and the T&L facility flat out put the local shops to shame with all the equipment they had. I toured it before I signed the contract. Lloyd McLeary the owner is an upstanding professional and after looking back on the experience, he really gave me a great deal, and spent a lot of his valuable time working out the specs. on our engine. He even tweaked the AFR heads for better oil drain flow. I think you will be hard pressed to beat the value in expertise and quality of workmanship he delivers for a nominal price.
Here is a video and some pics:
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I just think its a very reasonable price for an all forged bottom end, Dart pro 1 heads and roller cam/valve train.
If I knew that motor would really make 510hp, I would buy it in a heart beat. My luck I would buy and get it home and dyno it and it would make 450hp. I would be F'N pissed off.
If I knew that motor would really make 510hp, I would buy it in a heart beat. My luck I would buy and get it home and dyno it and it would make 450hp. I would be F'N pissed off.
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St. Jude Donor '11, '17
Originally Posted by 1BAD80
Why not build your own motor ?
A G.M. rocket block 427 can be built for that price.
A G.M. rocket block 427 can be built for that price.
A bare rocket block is over $2800, adding just a forged rotating assembly & AFR heads and you are bumping $6000. Then you need a cam, intake, carb etc. Easily $8000 in this engine, but obviously this would be a superior engine.
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St. Jude Donor '11, '17
Originally Posted by ajrothm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SB-Ch...1405QQtcZphoto
They have a 100% positive feedback and I have talked to the owner and he was very helpful. As much as I would like to have a 496BB, the 408" SB is definetly more economical and would be easier to install in my SB coupe. What do you engine guys think about a 4" stroke SB? Think it would be a lazy revver? I want as much torque as I can get out of a SB. That price can't be beat. He adds $500 for a custom built, pro-form 750 DP installed and dynoed on my engine. About $5500 dynoed and shipped. I think 510/510 should be good for mid-high 11s with a good stall converter.. What you guys think?
They have a 100% positive feedback and I have talked to the owner and he was very helpful. As much as I would like to have a 496BB, the 408" SB is definetly more economical and would be easier to install in my SB coupe. What do you engine guys think about a 4" stroke SB? Think it would be a lazy revver? I want as much torque as I can get out of a SB. That price can't be beat. He adds $500 for a custom built, pro-form 750 DP installed and dynoed on my engine. About $5500 dynoed and shipped. I think 510/510 should be good for mid-high 11s with a good stall converter.. What you guys think?
I looked hard at this engine when I decided to build my own. Undoubtably I could have spent less by going to T&L, but decide to cut my own throat. I don't see a problem with their engines, but a 408 has very tight tolerances on the rotating assembly.
