Mini-starter
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From: Oxnard/San Luis Obispo CA
I ordered one from Amazon for $83 after $20 discount but it has been back-ordered for a while. 
Quality-Built 6449MSN Supreme Domestic Starter - New
http://www.quality-built.com
It is a remake of the starters gm used in trucks from 1996 to 2002. From comparing pictures, it looks like the gmpp bb502 starter that others are using.
It is the last component (I hope) that I need to install the TKO-600 auto to manual kit from Keisler.
Quality-Built 6449MSN Supreme Domestic Starter - New
http://www.quality-built.com
It is a remake of the starters gm used in trucks from 1996 to 2002. From comparing pictures, it looks like the gmpp bb502 starter that others are using.
It is the last component (I hope) that I need to install the TKO-600 auto to manual kit from Keisler.
Melting Slicks
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From: Tennessee
Guys:
Just so you know, I have been following this thread and taking notes on starter part numbers that you all have listed. I understand that some of you out there with our kits were not told of the need to swap the starter(auto to manual swaps). I will pass the part numbers along to the sales staff so they can inform potential future customers of the need and provide them a part number as well. Thank you.
Richard
Tech Support
Keisler Engineering
Just so you know, I have been following this thread and taking notes on starter part numbers that you all have listed. I understand that some of you out there with our kits were not told of the need to swap the starter(auto to manual swaps). I will pass the part numbers along to the sales staff so they can inform potential future customers of the need and provide them a part number as well. Thank you.
Richard
Tech Support
Keisler Engineering
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From: Columbia Missouri
Guys:
Just so you know, I have been following this thread and taking notes on starter part numbers that you all have listed. I understand that some of you out there with our kits were not told of the need to swap the starter(auto to manual swaps). I will pass the part numbers along to the sales staff so they can inform potential future customers of the need and provide them a part number as well. Thank you.
Richard
Tech Support
Keisler Engineering
Just so you know, I have been following this thread and taking notes on starter part numbers that you all have listed. I understand that some of you out there with our kits were not told of the need to swap the starter(auto to manual swaps). I will pass the part numbers along to the sales staff so they can inform potential future customers of the need and provide them a part number as well. Thank you.
Richard
Tech Support
Keisler Engineering
Nice heads up move Richard. Spot on.
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From: Reno Nevada
2024 C3 of the Year Finalist- Modified
Guys:
Just so you know, I have been following this thread and taking notes on starter part numbers that you all have listed. I understand that some of you out there with our kits were not told of the need to swap the starter(auto to manual swaps). I will pass the part numbers along to the sales staff so they can inform potential future customers of the need and provide them a part number as well. Thank you.
Richard
Tech Support
Keisler Engineering
Just so you know, I have been following this thread and taking notes on starter part numbers that you all have listed. I understand that some of you out there with our kits were not told of the need to swap the starter(auto to manual swaps). I will pass the part numbers along to the sales staff so they can inform potential future customers of the need and provide them a part number as well. Thank you.
Richard
Tech Support
Keisler Engineering
#SUM-820323 I think it's @ $150. I'm not sure because I had enough points that they threw it and something else in free when I was down at the Summit store
Last edited by gkull; Dec 29, 2006 at 10:46 AM.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Tennessee
I have the Summit mini starter 153 or 168 flywheel. I've had it for 5 years now on several variations of 383's and my 427 small block. It just zings the motor with 222 ft-lbs and 4:1 gear reduction. It's made for 18:1 500 ci race motors
#SUM-820323 I think it's @ $150. I'm not sure because I had enough points that they threw it and something else in free when I was down at the Summit store
#SUM-820323 I think it's @ $150. I'm not sure because I had enough points that they threw it and something else in free when I was down at the Summit store
Is that starter a staggered or straight bolt pattern??
Richard
Melting Slicks
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From: Tennessee
I had a GM Performance Parts high-torque mini #12361146 on my 350 HO crate for 5 years. It works great and I haven't had to touch it since I installed it.
GMPP's description:
GMPP's description:
This gear reduction starter is designed for 1958-1996 V-8 and all 90? V-6 engines. It has a compact design that provides increased clearance, weighs only 10. 5 pounds and has a gear reduction of 3. 75:1. It is equipped with a dual bolt pattern for 12. 75" (153-tooth) and 14" (168-tooth) flywheels, and the housing can be rotated to clear exhaust systems. Kit includes starter, mounting bolts, shims, gaskets, and electrical connectors.
Richard
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From: Reno Nevada
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Racecar cranking power.
Summit's lightweight Nippondenso-type Protorque starters offer a 4.0:1 gear-reduction ratio and a whopping 1.9 HP. That's 222 ft.-lbs of racecar cranking power. If that's not enough, there are even more powerful 3.1 HP monsters, which are a pound lighter! They have a 4.44:1 reduction ratio and churn out an awesome 342 ft.-lbs. of torque. Both of these powerhouses are suitable for engines up to 502 c.i.d., and compression ratios of up to 18.0:1. GM versions are adjustable for four mounting positions; Ford types, for 18. A gold dichromate finish prevents corrosion and electrical shorts on both.
my older 168 flex setup with a 9.5 inch 3800 stall torque converter
Summit's lightweight Nippondenso-type Protorque starters offer a 4.0:1 gear-reduction ratio and a whopping 1.9 HP. That's 222 ft.-lbs of racecar cranking power. If that's not enough, there are even more powerful 3.1 HP monsters, which are a pound lighter! They have a 4.44:1 reduction ratio and churn out an awesome 342 ft.-lbs. of torque. Both of these powerhouses are suitable for engines up to 502 c.i.d., and compression ratios of up to 18.0:1. GM versions are adjustable for four mounting positions; Ford types, for 18. A gold dichromate finish prevents corrosion and electrical shorts on both.
my older 168 flex setup with a 9.5 inch 3800 stall torque converter
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From: Taylor Michigan
Your Best Bet Starter!
Melting Slicks
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From: TEXAS - you mean there are other states?
Gkull - nice pics....
as I listen to this thread, I am thinking I will have to re-assess my 'mini-starter'. I just got it from an old 383 and thought I would use it. Will find out what kind it is and compare with ya'll's input.
as I listen to this thread, I am thinking I will have to re-assess my 'mini-starter'. I just got it from an old 383 and thought I would use it. Will find out what kind it is and compare with ya'll's input.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Orange Park Fl
After going through several rebuilts from advance auto parts (lifetime warranty, but who wants to replace the starter every 6 months!), I got a mini off ebay. I think the seller was skip white. It was dirt cheap and has given me no problems for several years now. My stock starter was staggered bolt, the mini is straight bolt but it fit fine. The only problem is that it sounds like a Dodge (I swear!). God bless, Sensei
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I was able to cross reference 6449MSN starter from Amazon on the Quality-Built Online Catalog by going to Cross Reference and entering 10465167. On Gilbert Chevrolet Starters page they state the 10465167 is a remanufactured 9000852.
It may be a stretch but I am willing to risk the cost of return shipping.
It may be a stretch but I am willing to risk the cost of return shipping.
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From: Reno Nevada
2024 C3 of the Year Finalist- Modified
Yes, you have the two verticle block holes for using 153 or 168 tooth. The 4 horizontal holes are to rotate the starter for block or more header clearance
It is harder to take a picture now because of big blow proof bell housing and headers
ample header to starter clearance - mine is rotated with the four hole against the block just how I pulled it out of the box. You can even see the block saver plate between the starter and red bell H.
It is harder to take a picture now because of big blow proof bell housing and headers
ample header to starter clearance - mine is rotated with the four hole against the block just how I pulled it out of the box. You can even see the block saver plate between the starter and red bell H.
Last edited by gkull; Dec 30, 2006 at 01:16 PM.
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