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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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Oh alright lol I was told it was a 600. Thanks for letting me know.

I will just order the kit. Its proven and made to work together. 375hp and 400lbs ft of torque is awesome. Also already have exhaust done. It is meant for my carb. It is also cheaper to buy the kit with proven results then put together a random one, cost more, and hope they work together.

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
ok on the speedway heads they have one with dual springs and one with im guessing single? Which one is better for my application. Also it looks like they come with push rods.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flo-Te...lug,25118.html

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flo-Te...lug,25117.html
I think the only difference between those two heads is that one has straight plugs, and the other has angle plugs. What makes you thing they come with pushrods?

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Yea im just going with the summit kit.
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
well after adding in all the bolts, gaskets, and little things my build cost ran over a top end kit. Mainly this one.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sme-k-375-400

It comes with everything needed and it is all guaranteed to work together. It is rated at 375hp and 400 torque. Right around what I wanted. I read the speedway heads intake dosen't match well with gaskets also.

Also is meant for a 750 cfm carb which i have 600 cfm carb. Will that be fine? They have a kit 25 hp down meant for my carb.

So should I just save up for this kit?
I would like to point out a few random things that may help your decision:

1.) If you look at that Car Craft article I gave you a link too, the one that compared the different heads, you will see that the kit you are thinking of buying uses the same camshaft and heads that they use in the test. Your engine will be very similar to that engine, just with less compression. Might give you a better idea of what you are getting into.

2.) The intake manifold provided in that kit will not take a Q-jet. You'll need to buy a square bore carb. A cheap way out of this may be to look for an old Holley 3310 (750 CFM vacuum secondary) and rebuild it.

3.) Here's a tip: Look up the individual prices for each component of the kit, and add them together. It might end up being a little less than the cost of the kit to order each piece individually. Summit seems to think that, instead of giving you a package deal, they should charge you a little extra for the convenience of the kit.

4.) The head gaskets that come with that kit will not be .015" thick. Probably more like .042" thick. There goes about a half a point of compression, which you will need for that big cam. Plan on spending a little extra to get the thin head gaskets, they'll be worth it.

5.)Speaking of cams, I think that cam is a little too much for what you are looking to do. You'll need a higher stall converter, more compression, and more gear out back for it to work well. This kit may be a better option for you:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sm...-400/overview/

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:05 PM
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Ah ok so a couple of questions. On the 25hp less one. I knew about the intake problem but cant i use

my stock intake manifold? And yes I will use the felpro gasket still.
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
Ah ok so a couple of questions. On the 25hp less one. I knew about the intake problem but cant i use

my stock intake manifold? And yes I will use the felpro gasket still.
Sure, bolt the crusty old cast iron intake back onto you nice, shiny new aluminum heads. Why not?

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:51 PM
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Ill just order the without the intake manifold and buy a 2101 intake
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 04:36 PM
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Ill just order the without the intake manifold and buy a 2101 intake
That's right! You can order each piece individually! Did you add up all the prices, and compare the total to the kit? Just not buying the intake should more than pay for a used Performer. Ahhh, but you won't get the free pushrod length checker...........

That looks like a pretty good deal, there, man, good luck with it,

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 05:05 PM
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I can actually tell summit I want the kit with no intake and they will take a little off
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 05:07 PM
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If your set on using a 750cfm carb with that top end kit.Check out the new Street Demon carb.It will work with a square bore manifold and has small bore primaries ,vacuum operated secondaries adjusted by spring tension.The triple stack primaries should give you good throttle response down low for street manners.http://www.demoncarbs.com/Types/Street%20Demon.asp
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by iokepakai
If your set on using a 750cfm carb with that top end kit.Check out the new Street Demon carb.It will work with a square bore manifold and has small bore primaries ,vacuum operated secondaries adjusted by spring tension.The triple stack primaries should give you good throttle response down low for street manners.http://www.demoncarbs.com/Types/Street%20Demon.asp
I am ordering the 600cfm one. Using a different head gasket and intake manifold. Thanks though
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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
I can actually tell summit I want the kit with no intake and they will take a little off
Really? I didn't know they would let you do that. That's pretty cool.

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyp99
Really? I didn't know they would let you do that. That's pretty cool.

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Yea ive done it before. I just hope they do it on something so big. Well see. I asked them about it. Ill let you know if they can take it out.
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
Ill just order the without the intake manifold and buy a 2101 intake
Did you check out the link I posted for the 2101 for 50 bucks? I'm still kind of curious why you thought those heads came with pushrods, maybe we can clear up a misunderstanding of some kind.

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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 11:35 AM
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Did you check out the link I posted for the 2101 for 50 bucks? I'm still kind of curious why you thought those heads came with pushrods, maybe we can clear up a misunderstanding of some kind.

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No I never saw the link. Could you put the link up again?

Also i thought they did because there site said everything else needed is rocker arms and a gasket so I just though they came with pushrods. Or else they would of said and you need pushrods.
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 12:54 PM
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so what if I went with this.

cam & lifters: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-10120702lk

heads: http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flo-Te...lug,25118.html

gasket: http://www.northernautoparts.com/Pro...tModelId=22765

timing chain: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cl...make/chevrolet

intake manifold: 2101 intake manifold from forum user

rocker arms: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/su...make/chevrolet

would this be everything? puts me at $1000

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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
No I never saw the link. Could you put the link up again?

Also i thought they did because there site said everything else needed is rocker arms and a gasket so I just though they came with pushrods. Or else they would of said and you need pushrods.
I thought I posted it here, might have been another thread. Anyway, here it is:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-p...-manifold.html

Yeah, I've never heard of heads being sold with pushrods. You will find that, in this hobby, most people selling things assume a certain level of familiarity with the product. You can't make assumptions like that. Forums like this are where you go with "dumb questions" like that!

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Did you see my build and links? Its all $1000
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Originally Posted by Planbmatt1
so what if I went with this.

cam & lifters: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-10120702lk

heads: http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flo-Te...lug,25118.html

gasket: http://www.northernautoparts.com/Pro...tModelId=22765

timing chain: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cl...make/chevrolet

intake manifold: 2101 intake manifold from forum user

rocker arms: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/su...make/chevrolet

would this be everything? puts me at $1000
you'll need a gasket set, obviously, the pushrod checker and the checking springs. Small change, but you have to account for it all, or else it starts to creep up on you. You'll need tools, supplies (oil, coolant, rtv, gasket sealer, beer, etc.)

Now what you need to think about is what can/should be done, as long as the whole thing is apart anyway. You are going to have to remove the fuel pump and fuel pump pushrod, so you should think about a new fuel pump, fuel pump pushrod, and rubber fuel lines that connect the fuel pump to the hard fuel lines. (there is a good chance that you will destroy the 35+ year old rubber fuel lines while removing them.) Another thing to think about, is the fact that once you have the whole front of the engine off, it's not that much more trouble to break the center link, drop the oil pan, and replace the oil pump and rear main seal. Maybe even drop a main cap and take a look at the bearings. (the number 1 bearing will tell the tale, as it's the farthest from the oil pump.) then seal her back up with a Felpro one piece oil pan gasket. Another benefit of doing this, is that it is easier to get a good seal between the oil pan and timing cover, if you install the timing cover first, and the oil pan second. None of it is mandatory, (although I would almost consider the new fuel lines mandatory) but it's all a really good idea, "while you're at it....."

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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:44 PM
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yes i will have all the gaskets I need. Also a mechanic friend is doing it. He realizes that the engine will have to sit while we order pushrods. He has all the oil, lube, sealant, and tools needed. So he said while we are in there he will tell me what else I need to order and it can sit for however long it needs too. Getting my recurve kit in monday. Will get it in asap! My cam and lifters are coming in tomorrow. Also ordering my timing chain and intake manifold w/gasket next week all that is left is heads, rocker arms, and pushrods after being measured. Thanks for all your help man!
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