Differential ring gear backlash problem...
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Racer
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Belgium /
Mike, I have a question...
I just installed new side yokes and when I check the backlash on the side yokes I get on one side 0.12 and on the other side 0.18 between side yoke and cross shaft.
The posi has all new clutches in it and the side yokes are brand new.
What did I do wrong that I have such a big gap between the yokes and cross shaft when I pull them out ?
Should I open the Posi again and re-pack the clutches ?
Thanks,
I just installed new side yokes and when I check the backlash on the side yokes I get on one side 0.12 and on the other side 0.18 between side yoke and cross shaft.
The posi has all new clutches in it and the side yokes are brand new.
What did I do wrong that I have such a big gap between the yokes and cross shaft when I pull them out ?
Should I open the Posi again and re-pack the clutches ?
Thanks,
Last edited by stingraymax; Aug 26, 2016 at 10:37 AM.
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Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Belgium /
Got the posi out and broke it open again, I have 0.045 shims on each side.
What is my next step ?
Increase the shim size ? go to 0.050 on each side ?
Also if I put a thicker shim on the side that had 0.018 backlash will that affect the other side too ?
If I want the 0.018 side to come down to 0.008 will I have to add a 0.010 shim on that side ?
What is my next step ?
Increase the shim size ? go to 0.050 on each side ?
Also if I put a thicker shim on the side that had 0.018 backlash will that affect the other side too ?
If I want the 0.018 side to come down to 0.008 will I have to add a 0.010 shim on that side ?
Last edited by stingraymax; Aug 27, 2016 at 10:47 AM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Willoughby Ohio
Tom has stated .005 to .008 backlash for a tuned unit. That makes me believe you'll probably have to shim one side more than the other.
So it looks like .01 on one side and .005 on the other which would put you at .008 and .007. I would verify with Tracdogg2 ( Mike Dyer) he is the expert on these differentials.
So it looks like .01 on one side and .005 on the other which would put you at .008 and .007. I would verify with Tracdogg2 ( Mike Dyer) he is the expert on these differentials.
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Racer
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From: Belgium /
OK, I'm about ready to throw the darn thing...
I added 0.005 on one side and 0.010 on the other side, put it back together and it was impossible to turn by hand.
I took the 0.005 one out and left the 0.010 on, so 0.045 on one side and 0.055 on the other side.
Still impossible to turn by hand and extremely hard with lever.
Went to 0.045 on one side and 0.050 on the other side and then the posi was turnable by hand.
I checked the backlash on the side I increased the shim with 0.005 and no difference, still 0.018 between crosshaft and yoke.
I am at a complete loss now..
Any help is welcome on this
I added 0.005 on one side and 0.010 on the other side, put it back together and it was impossible to turn by hand.
I took the 0.005 one out and left the 0.010 on, so 0.045 on one side and 0.055 on the other side.
Still impossible to turn by hand and extremely hard with lever.
Went to 0.045 on one side and 0.050 on the other side and then the posi was turnable by hand.
I checked the backlash on the side I increased the shim with 0.005 and no difference, still 0.018 between crosshaft and yoke.
I am at a complete loss now..
Any help is welcome on this
Burning Brakes
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From: Willoughby Ohio
This may be a long shot, but on Tom's tuning video he mentioned the clutches having a dimple on one side. He then said to have them face a specific direction and that the dimple would flatten out during the tuning process. The video is on youtube so you watch yourself. If that isn't it I would try to get a hold of Tracdogg.
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Racer
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From: Belgium /
OK, found the problem.
I measured the side yokes again and to my surprise found out that the "new" yokes were even worse than my "old" ones.
So much for new yokes , one measured .168 and the other one .166
I measured the side yokes again and to my surprise found out that the "new" yokes were even worse than my "old" ones.
So much for new yokes , one measured .168 and the other one .166
Drifting
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From: Garland Texas
If this is the case I would Ken at LoneStar. Who did you buy them from?
I still need to know how you are determining the shim thickness in each clutchpack. What is the spider gear backlash?
Mike
I still need to know how you are determining the shim thickness in each clutchpack. What is the spider gear backlash?
Mike
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Racer
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From: Belgium /
I shim the posi as tom discribes in his video. I started with .040 on each side and tried until the cross shaft was moving freely in either way I positioned the post, then I added shims in .005 increments until it had a good resistance but not binding or impossible to turn by hand.
I haven't measured the backlash yet on the spider gears.
I haven't measured the backlash yet on the spider gears.
Drifting
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From: Garland Texas
You need to set up each shim pack individually. There is no set number, each on is different.
Set up one clutchpack, install the small spiders, thrust washers and shaft. Then preload it and measure your backlash. You are shooting for less than .001.
Then set it aside and do the other one.
If it goes together easy, you're way too loose.
Set up one clutchpack, install the small spiders, thrust washers and shaft. Then preload it and measure your backlash. You are shooting for less than .001.
Then set it aside and do the other one.
If it goes together easy, you're way too loose.
Last edited by tracdogg2; Sep 6, 2016 at 11:24 AM.