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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 02:02 PM
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engine aint so happy, any clues on what my knocking noise might be, ive got some idea's, getting a 2nd opinion??
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 02:49 PM
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engine aint so happy, any clues on what my knocking noise might be, ive got some idea's, getting a 2nd opinion??
Mine sounded exactly like that and the outcome was not good.......could be something as simple as a loose rocker, or very bad like a rod, spun bearing, chipped piston....etc. Open the valve cover and go from there.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 03:30 PM
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 03:35 PM
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Mine sounded exactly like that and the outcome was not good.......could be something as simple as a loose rocker, or very bad like a rod, spun bearing, chipped piston....etc. Open the valve cover and go from there.
what was your outcome then??
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 03:39 PM
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Had a sound just like that and it turned out to be a bad lifter that shattered and ended up completely destroying my engine.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:04 PM
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use a stethoscope or rubber hose to try and isolate the source of the noise. I had a hard to chase knock once and the return spring on the mechanical fuel pump arm had broken causing the arm to make the noise.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by corvettedave383
what was your outcome then??
After removing the heads, I found it was detonation damage (pistons and heads) to the #2, #8, and #3,#5 cyls. #5 had part of the piston broken off. I was surprised the engine was running at all. Like I said, it sounded exactly like yours.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:57 PM
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I wouldn't run it anymore. The more you run it, the less parts you'll be able to reuse. Start tearing it down. It's not going to heal itself. As suggested, start at the top and work down until you find it.

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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 06:10 PM
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thanks guiys, will start at top and work my way in, got a boroscope coming tomorrow , so will have a look in at the valves and pistons via sparkplug hole
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Grab a piece of heater hose. Makes a good stethoscope. THEN run it along the oil pan. This is an easy car to drop the pan. It is a rod. If brave enough to mess with rod bearings, get the size off the bad ones and post it.
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Grab a piece of heater hose. Makes a good stethoscope. THEN run it along the oil pan. This is an easy car to drop the pan. It is a rod. If brave enough to mess with rod bearings, get the size off the bad ones and post it.
ok cheers
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Originally Posted by v2racing
I wouldn't run it anymore. The more you run it, the less parts you'll be able to reuse.
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Take Mike's advice.
I would first drain the oil and pull the pan. Look at the crank assembly and inspect what's visible there. Oil analysis is a good thing for identifying failed components, but if there's a lot of Metallica present in it, just save the money you'd spend the analysis and spend it on the rebuild/replacement.
Good luck.

Just curious: What's the engine's history?

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What's oil pressure look like??

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Originally Posted by Cavu2u
Take Mike's advice.
I would first drain the oil and pull the pan. Look at the crank assembly and inspect what's visible there. Oil analysis is a good thing for identifying failed components, but if there's a lot of Metallica present in it, just save the money you'd spend the analysis and spend it on the rebuild/replacement.
Good luck.

Just curious: What's the engine's history?

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its about 6 years old, but has only done about 2000 miles, it is a custom built sbc 383, mid 70's block and all brand parts inside, all forged, designed for forced induction
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 427Hotrod
What's oil pressure look like??

JIM
iam getting great oil pressure, just cranking over it gets great oil pressure and loads when started
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Sounds like valve train to me.
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 06:35 AM
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Had a very similar sound on my 406 a few years ago - a roller rocker arm trunnion clip broke and the rocker arm was loose - made an awful clacking sound.

I pulled the pan and found the clip in 3 pieces.I tore the engine down, and unfortunately found some pretty bad scratches in the cylinder walls. I considered cleaning and running it - I probably could have - but instead chose to replace the block (it was an old junkyard block anyway. It was also an excuse to upgrade).
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Update - so i removed the shaft rocker from low compression cylinder, with the rocker on, it produces 120 psi, all others are 140+, with the rocker rermoved, ie valves fully closed when turning engine over, it only managed to produce about 70 psi and then after another few trys at turning over engine, ended up down at 10 psi, so what does that mean?? bent valve or ?? - there is alot of oily burnt crusts on the pistons, which is more than likely on the valves aswell, seen on my boroscope today




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Maybe it's just the picture, but it looks like the valve stem has started mushrooming?. Maybe the rocker was pounding on the valve due to being too loose?
Also the sweep pattern looks quite wide?
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Originally Posted by Danish Shark
Maybe it's just the picture, but it looks like the valve stem has started mushrooming?. Maybe the rocker was pounding on the valve due to being too loose?
Also the sweep pattern looks quite wide?
i will have a closer look at that, thanks
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