"Delivered from the factory no better no worse" :eek:

How many of those cars came off the assembly line and went straight to the show room .:yawn: Yet they judge like all of them did. Their had to be a lot that went back to the paint booth,and how many had part's missing or in the wrong place. ?
There are a lot of 30,000mi. car's that look like they just came off the show room. :( Now come on, the engine looks like new paint with all those miles on it?The alternator and the rest of the componet's look so new? They don't stay like that with 30,000 miles ,even if it is pampered you will see that heat would blister the paint on the manifold. :yesnod:
Next time you go to a meet look around the corner and see all the trailors that carry those Queen's.
Guess the "judges" want to see a factory correct car comming out of their garage.


:lolg:

 

Your mis-informed what Judging is all about Regaurdless of the milage they are looking for as it left the factory.NOT FRESHLEY RESTORED.
And whitch manifold do you mean,the exhaust never had paint on it nor the aluminum ones ,And it takes a lot of heat to blister a iron intake.

Before you throw stones make sure you go to a meet and find out what it realley is all about .I canot think of one REAL car show that I have been to that some of the cars do not arrive in trailers, Been to a ton of show and shines that every one drives in but any national or reginal there are always lots of trailers

 

Ih2lose, what is with you qouting my post then using a :withstupid: icon and then agreeing with my post? If it is a misunderstanding then no hard feelings :cheers:

 

I think that no matter what the hobby is, there are a select few that take that hobby to such an exteme, that only a very few could possibly measure up, as if they would desire to. Those that do not, those that just choose to enjoy the hobby for what enjoyment it brings to them, are looked down upon. My question is why take something that is supposed to bring enjoyment and satisfaction and turn it into something that produces more anxiety than anything else? Some people just can't or don't know how to have fun. What could be more fun than removing trailing arms rusted in for 30 years, or replacing that power brake booster that has stopped working--you gotta love it. And if you want to paint your rearend red (either the one in your car or the one you sit on) so be it. NCRS #35839 :cheers:


[Modified by jwbert, 7:39 PM 2/2/2003]

 

SBR I agree with your post thats why I quoted it. And added the Im with stupid icon. Is it that the icon I used is offending you I allways thought that was a freindley way of saying I AGREE no offence was intended. Or is it something else?
I AM 100% IN SUPPORT OF THE N.C.R.S.

 

Glad I got so much feed back. Im also glad so many of you dont REALLY hate NCRS. NCRS is just what the name stands for. I could understand why some people were unhappy with them. They seem to be telling you just what you need to get the car up to the clubs standards and not really bashing your car for not being perfect.

I have attended many NCRS meetings in my day. My father was a mid year judge for many years and at one point spent much of his own money judging around the country. Everyone seemed really nice and friendly when I was at these events.

I can tell you that who ever said these corvette owners usually have more then one vette, you are correct. My father and all his friends have/had many of these cars. Some were ment just for being judged and some were ment to drive or even race. You just have to appreciate what they are ment for. My father still has his show car, although he doesnt show it anymore, the car is super and I would hate to see it get ruined being driven around. I wish I could tell you about all the awards that car has won but to be honest I dont know what they are called, except the duntov award of excellence and a bunch of blue ribbons.

Thanks for taking the time to post your feelings on the subject. This has been one great post.

Here is a pic of my fathers car. 66 427/390hp 99.98% original car (except the original tires are not on it right now):







[Modified by QuickVet, 9:58 PM 2/2/2003]

 

I don't hate them or anyone else involved with Corvettes. I think those guys/gals are a great resource and they've been very helpful to me in identifying some mechanical items not original on my '75.

That's how I found out my starter and alternator were replacements.:yesnod:

 

I certainly don['t hate NCRS, I think it's big and important part of Corvette hobby and it has provided me some very valuable information over the years.

 

Why should you care?

 

Hey everyone has their own style...

Shoot I can't believe someone ever did this to this poor car...
I wonder sometimes what goes on in the heads of designer...

Daily Driver, Sports Grocery Getter...Give me a break

http://www.vettewagon.com/eric/eric.htm

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Why can't we all just get along.... It's because of those dang Red Headed Step children, or the Gay Uncle!! :troll :jester :conehead

:lolg:

 

This comment is towards a certain type of people not NCRS itself :)

I have run across these types of people many times, they are SOOO into the cars being perfectly original down to the overspray that their **** retentiveness is overwhelming. I had a custom '63 corvair (not vette, vair) with a front mounted 400 sm blk. The car was not finished by any stretch of the imagination and alot was mickey moused however the thing was a BLAST to drive (Would take out all stock C4's and alot of modified vettes as well) well I go to a show and park my car (not IN the show, but parked next to the display cars) then I go over to the corvair section to strike up some conversations and almost ALL of the corvair owners chewed me out for "butchering such a fine automobile" :rolleyes:

It's the same with many other groups as well, so safe to say there are these high and mighty jerks in EVERY crowd not just NCRS. I DRIVE cars, I ENJOY cars, I don't put them away and use them as decoration.

There are also MANY MANY MANY fine folks in these organizations that are a great help when you need information on parts that are NEEDED to fix the car, you may have a full blown custom but there are still original parts under there in most cases, and these parts do break. I consider myself well rounded and loike to talk cars to anyone. If they come off as a high and mighty jerk,, I just don;t talk to them.

:cheers:


[Modified by Madmikeee, 12:14 PM 2/3/2003]

 

I agree with garagedweller2: if the car is rare it should be left alone or restored to origianl specs. But I don't feel that every base engine small block should be restored to look the way it waas when it came off the assembly line.

I joined NCRS when I first got my 69 coupe about seven years age, but left after one year. I wasn't into the "original alternator bracket bolts" mind set, but that's just my feeling. The NCRS is a great resource, so let's not loose sight of why it exists. They are quite specific in their mission, and I believe, have only recently started judging rubber bumper cars. So they are not all thing to all people, nor do they profess to be. Unfortunately, as with any organization there will be some fanatics or zealots who feel that their way is the only way and these individuals tend to give the entire group the aura of snobbery.

If you join the NCRS then you are obviously interested in what they have to say and will abide by their rules. I don't think 1bad69 or Merlin would show up at an NCRS judging competition and get pissed off because they lost points. They have great cars, (I would take either one in a heartbeat) but don't fit the criterea.

Also, when I have to do some work on my car I will check with their judging manual to find out what is correct. This is much easier than trying to decipher what Bubba did. Then I can decide how I want to proceed with the repair or modification.


[Modified by 6t9l4t6, 7:22 PM 2/3/2003]

 

The only problem I see with the NCRS is if I had a time machine and went back to 1971 and drove a brand new Corvette off the assembly line...put it in my time machine and brought it back to 2003 it would not receive a 100% top flight or whatever they call it because their standards seem to a lot tougher than what a factory can mass produce. In mass production, your quality is not as high as a restorer that takes 4 years to complete the project. I fully understand where a factory correct, all numbers matching Corvette stands in a sea of modified examples but when the "NCRS standard" is higher than the original quality is it really factory correct?????
JMHO
John
:nopity

 

I'm not so sure I agree on all of this comment-I've judged mainly '73-'82 Corvettes since '98 and have judged many 118mi, 1528mi, 4000mi, 12,000mi , 24,000mi ,etc cars of all mileages. I've judged many cars that were super lowmile cars and have seen what I believe were factory errors, mistakes and HAVE NOT deducted points for it. Now, just as there are "fanatical" members, the same is true for "fanatical" judges. Some judges realize they do not know everything(like me), and there are those judges who think they know everything. These are the ones I love to "talk" to and prove wrong :lolg: I love the NCRS, but I like the "driving to a meet", "socializing", "judging Corvettes", going out in the evening with other judges to do more "socializing" and one of the more important things is have FUN, otherwise I would'nt be doing it just for the HELL of it. As I've stated here many times, my four Sharks have over 360,000mi combined and they ARE DRIVEN :steering: The '68 I bought down in Atlanta I plan on having it judged "several" times this year-just to see what "he'll" do. I will keep him, along with my '74 and '80 as original as possible mainly because those cars were very, very original to start with. The '68 convertible and '75 are "fairly" original to my taste, and I plan on keeping them that way.

 

This post is typical of what I was referring to with my first response back on page 1 - those who are the most critical about something, are the same people that know the least about what they are talking.

Question- have you ever been to or participated in an NCRS event? No? I'm not surprised, judging by your comments. Yes? Then you would have realized that NCRS judging (correctly applied) assesses deductions for OVER restoration as much as it does for UNDER restoration. The motto is 'no better, no worse'.
:yesnod:

 

Hmmmm .... I wonder if they would let me join, if they knew what I was up to.

I guess they would, since they need examples of where to deduct points.
When I'm done, mine might be the standard to measure against.

Quote: " You got less points than Dave ? - Damn !!"
:seeya

 

Many people here would be astounded if they realize many, many NCRS members also have "modded" cars-check out some of the cars in Guy82 pics from Orlando on the Factory Resto Board. Those nicely modded straight axle cars are NCRS members too-or they would'nt have been there in the convention center in the first place. :yesnod:

 

Ih2lose, thanks for your reply. BTW love the 66! :cheers:

 

anyone can join :cheers:

 

I think the question should be: Why doesnt everyone love the NCRS. No matter what type of project you are involed, you need history to complete it. If you didnt know how it was assembled or made originally you would not have a beginning on how to modify it. There is no better keeper of the history of the Corvette than NCRS. Everyone has a different degree of envolvement, but without its history were would we be :thumbs:
Ed