New Dodge Hemi
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From: Peabody,MA,USA
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (turtlevette)
I read in road and track that calling the new dodge engine a Hemi is a real stretch. The head design is nothing like the old true Hemi head. The chevy head is a much better design but the dodge head is good for marketing and rednecks. :rofl:
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (Ironcross)
I still think i could get a chevy crate engine and take you.
and the LS6 i was talking about is the all aluminum engine in the Z06. Guys are putting blowers on them and making as much power as your race engine. Go to the C5 section and check it out. Some of these guys would put your A990 on the trailer and pull it back to your house. :lol:
Thats a huge god-awfull ugly intake manifold on that thing. That probably weighs 200 pounds all by itself.
[Modified by turtlevette, 10:55 PM 3/14/2004]
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From: Taylor Michigan
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (turtlevette)
The intake is magnesium for your information. Also superchargers would place it in another class, and both blown, you would still lose. Normally asperated or supercharged, the Chevys can`t cut it. A lot of die hard racers have tried the Chevys but eventually switched to the Hemis rather than beat their head against the wall. It`s not any secret, it`s the heads that does the job. Wedge headed or so called semi hemi chevy engines just cannot produce enough power. And supercharged, it`s a whole different ball game. That is where the Chrysler is really the King, Nitro, alky or gas. The winners circle is always filled with Chryslers or an aluminum version of the same. I don`t see how you can ignore this statement if your knowledgeable about drag racing. Sure I like my big chevys in my Vettes and Camaros, but when it gets to serious racing I love to win. I will invite you to look over this site and you will see what I mean. http://www.nitroalley.net Losing is never to be considered.
If your a racer turtle vette, you will probably enjoy the site. Some racing history is available there.
Wally Knoch
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[Modified by Ironcross, 11:47 PM 3/14/2004]
If your a racer turtle vette, you will probably enjoy the site. Some racing history is available there.
Wally Knoch
:thumbs:
[Modified by Ironcross, 11:47 PM 3/14/2004]
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From: Maple
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (Ironcross)
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php...post&id=113515
these heads lead me to believe its a hemi? yes...? sounds sweet....he's gotta get some meat on those back rims though...
[Modified by 1bad69, 11:44 PM 3/14/2004]
these heads lead me to believe its a hemi? yes...? sounds sweet....he's gotta get some meat on those back rims though...
[Modified by 1bad69, 11:44 PM 3/14/2004]
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From: Orange Park Florida
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (Ironcross)
Some of the misconceptions about this 426 hemi engine come from the fact that as a STOCK engine from the factory installed in a car, the cam sucked, and was tuned for the street, also the exhaust....the heads are fine upper rpm beasts, but with the STOCK as supplied from the factory canshaft, the profile was tuned for torque, they even called it the 'street hemi'.....
some of those cars supposedly had a set of headers tossed into the trunk, right on the assy line....but the CAM was up to the customers....
about all that was needed was a proper breathing cam, and a set of headers, reset the carbs/tune up....and get outta the freaking WAY....
but as a STOCK machine, many cars from Ford and Chevy could kick it' azz and do so handsomely.....
I remember the days when say a Pontiac or Chevy would line up, and outta the hole the monster torque would pull out and make the mopar look bad...and then when he got on his cam, that freaking mopar would pass them like standing still....un be freaking LEAVEABLE....
so really taken in context under certain circumstances there really isn't much of an arguement....
there be no question the hemi heads breathe much better right outta the box than any other design...period....
GENE
some of those cars supposedly had a set of headers tossed into the trunk, right on the assy line....but the CAM was up to the customers....
about all that was needed was a proper breathing cam, and a set of headers, reset the carbs/tune up....and get outta the freaking WAY....
but as a STOCK machine, many cars from Ford and Chevy could kick it' azz and do so handsomely.....
I remember the days when say a Pontiac or Chevy would line up, and outta the hole the monster torque would pull out and make the mopar look bad...and then when he got on his cam, that freaking mopar would pass them like standing still....un be freaking LEAVEABLE....
so really taken in context under certain circumstances there really isn't much of an arguement....
there be no question the hemi heads breathe much better right outta the box than any other design...period....
GENE
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Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (Blue70)
turtlevette
Go get your self the April 2004 issue of Super Chevy
Read the article titled "HEMI RAT"
Hummmm Chevy racers trying to build a Hemi for drag racing.... :eek:
You might want to recheck your spec sheats..Check out the top fuel guys, You will see more Chrysler engines in the fast cars than you see Ford and Chevy combined. What's that...wasn't it the HEMI that was not allowed to run in Nascar after they whiped everyones butt...Ya that was a HEMI. :yesnod:
I like some cars from all brands...you my friend are living life with blinders on if you can't admit there might be something better out there than what you own.
Take them off..you might be suprised at what you see :eek:
Go get your self the April 2004 issue of Super Chevy
Read the article titled "HEMI RAT"
Hummmm Chevy racers trying to build a Hemi for drag racing.... :eek:
You might want to recheck your spec sheats..Check out the top fuel guys, You will see more Chrysler engines in the fast cars than you see Ford and Chevy combined. What's that...wasn't it the HEMI that was not allowed to run in Nascar after they whiped everyones butt...Ya that was a HEMI. :yesnod:
I like some cars from all brands...you my friend are living life with blinders on if you can't admit there might be something better out there than what you own.
Take them off..you might be suprised at what you see :eek:
Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing too much- you said pretty much everything I wanted to say :thumbs: I'm a huge Chevy fan but I believe in giving credit where it's due to whoever deserves it, Chevy or not. Well said!!!!!
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From: Pasadena Maryland
Re: New Dodge Hemi (SEE3ER)
Wait till you get about 10,000 miles on it. It only gets better. I get all kinds of compliments on it. Standard Cab ,short bed 4x4 with the Larimie Package and them awesome 20in wheels. First thing I got for it was a K&N Filter. Really helps with the MPG and makes it breathe so much easier. Enjoy your new ride.
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From: In Dreams There Is Truth Ohio
Re: New Dodge Hemi (turtlevette)
Chrysler is really working the hemi thing. From what i understand you don't want a hemisph****al combustion chamber..
The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench.
How did we degenerate to the 426 Hemi when this post was about the 5.7, two plug hemi?
[Modified by GDaina, 11:14 AM 3/15/2004]
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From: Living in the Hartland
Re: New Dodge Hemi (GDaina)
Always gonna be someone faster so buy what you like and be happy, I would love to win the Hemi Roadrunner mentioned by Redwingvette, gonna buy some tickets so I can do a little dreaming. :steering:
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Re: New Dodge Hemi (GDaina)
Chrysler is really working the hemi thing. From what i understand you don't want a hemisph****al combustion chamber..
Why do you say that? One of most efficient designs that ever came out of Detroit..
The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench.
:skep: :skep: :skep: You sure you want to make that statement?
How did we degenerate to the 426 Hemi when this post was about the 5.7, two plug hemi?
[Modified by GDaina, 11:14 AM 3/15/2004]
Why do you say that? One of most efficient designs that ever came out of Detroit..
The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench.
:skep: :skep: :skep: You sure you want to make that statement?
How did we degenerate to the 426 Hemi when this post was about the 5.7, two plug hemi?
[Modified by GDaina, 11:14 AM 3/15/2004]
Although i'm a little partial to 3.8L turbo Regals too.
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From: In Dreams There Is Truth Ohio
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (mrvette)
but as a STOCK machine, many cars from Ford and Chevy could kick it' azz and do so handsomely.....
GENE
GENE
I did it more than once to a street Hemi with my 68...mind you these were Hemis off the show room floor, and I cheated a little, I had the smog pump removed and curved the distributor, other than that the 427/435 had no other mods.
The ET's I remember the street Hemi's turning were very high 13's, low 14's, but as Gene mentioned, put in a Isky, General Kenetics, Clay Smith cams, headers, and now that high 13 second ride is turning the quarter into mid 11's.
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From: Texas
Re: The King, A990 426 1965 Race Hemi (GDaina)
as I understand it, from an old, wise mechanic buddy of mine -
Hemis are designed to be Supercharged. A stock 426 Wedge would cream a stock Hemi all day long.
Hemis are designed to be Supercharged. A stock 426 Wedge would cream a stock Hemi all day long.
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From: Holly MI
Re: New Dodge Hemi (turtlevette)
Turtlevett,
The hemi design is not perfect. It is very hard to package the valvetrain because of the large angle between the valves. That's why the hemi heads were so large. To activate the valves, very large rocker arms, bad pushrod angles, etc are needed. All this adds up to a heavy, flexible valvetrain that requires HUGE springs to keep in check. This is one of the biggest reasons hemi chambers haven't been used. DCX had to raise the camshaft quite a bit in the new 5.7L to help ease some of these issues. Of course, that creates other issues. The valvetrain limits the redline of the new hemi because of the weight issues.
There is no doubt in my mind that the small block Chevy is the most successful engine ever. However, I think you should give the HEMI some credit where it's due. The HEMI is great for flowing lots of air and Mopar was pretty successful with them. I would be glad to add a 70 HEMI Cuda next to my Vette and Camaro.
The hemi design is not perfect. It is very hard to package the valvetrain because of the large angle between the valves. That's why the hemi heads were so large. To activate the valves, very large rocker arms, bad pushrod angles, etc are needed. All this adds up to a heavy, flexible valvetrain that requires HUGE springs to keep in check. This is one of the biggest reasons hemi chambers haven't been used. DCX had to raise the camshaft quite a bit in the new 5.7L to help ease some of these issues. Of course, that creates other issues. The valvetrain limits the redline of the new hemi because of the weight issues.
There is no doubt in my mind that the small block Chevy is the most successful engine ever. However, I think you should give the HEMI some credit where it's due. The HEMI is great for flowing lots of air and Mopar was pretty successful with them. I would be glad to add a 70 HEMI Cuda next to my Vette and Camaro.
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From: Wilmington nc
Re: New Dodge Hemi (bb69)
turtlevette
We are all Chevy lovers here, and turbo Regals kick butt :steering:
But it's all about respect. The HEMI has earned it in all forms of racing, and on the street. I know back in the day it might have had a tough time on the street, real hard to keep in tune, and trying to get traction on the tires of yesterday, forget it..WAY too much torque. Even car mags back then said the 440 sixpack might be a better choice fo a street car.
Spouting off stuff like "The 426 is a tiny little engine by todays standards. If i wanna beat you i'll just drop in a Chevy BB 572. Chevy will always be able to outgun Ford and Chrysler." and " From what i understand you don't want a hemispherical combustion chamber. The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench." and last "Drag racers everywhere run chevy engines in ford and dodge autos" (Name some top guys........that some of us have heard of) shows a lack of respct, and knowledge of the subject matter.
Now like I said, it's about respect, and I respect your opinion, but please, if you are going to make off the wall claims, do some research first, so if you are right you'll have some facts to back them.
Either you get it, or you don't
Peace :seeya
We are all Chevy lovers here, and turbo Regals kick butt :steering:
But it's all about respect. The HEMI has earned it in all forms of racing, and on the street. I know back in the day it might have had a tough time on the street, real hard to keep in tune, and trying to get traction on the tires of yesterday, forget it..WAY too much torque. Even car mags back then said the 440 sixpack might be a better choice fo a street car.
Spouting off stuff like "The 426 is a tiny little engine by todays standards. If i wanna beat you i'll just drop in a Chevy BB 572. Chevy will always be able to outgun Ford and Chrysler." and " From what i understand you don't want a hemispherical combustion chamber. The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench." and last "Drag racers everywhere run chevy engines in ford and dodge autos" (Name some top guys........that some of us have heard of) shows a lack of respct, and knowledge of the subject matter.
Now like I said, it's about respect, and I respect your opinion, but please, if you are going to make off the wall claims, do some research first, so if you are right you'll have some facts to back them.
Either you get it, or you don't
Peace :seeya
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From: Taylor Michigan
Re: New Dodge Hemi (bb69)
I would be glad to add a 70 HEMI Cuda next to my Vette and Camaro.
bb69, My 70 Convertible is available and it does set along side of my Vettes and Camaros so it is use to having Chevys around.
:D
All street hemis were equiped with hydraulic cams and low compression that limited performance over 5500 RPM`s. The A990 race hemi is nearly as radical as you can get out of the box. Actually a factory racer produced by the Chrysler Marine division and basically only available for NHRA Drag racing. But it does make one hell of a street sleeper. :lol:
Nuf said, lets get back to Vettes! :thumbs:
bb69, My 70 Convertible is available and it does set along side of my Vettes and Camaros so it is use to having Chevys around.
:D
All street hemis were equiped with hydraulic cams and low compression that limited performance over 5500 RPM`s. The A990 race hemi is nearly as radical as you can get out of the box. Actually a factory racer produced by the Chrysler Marine division and basically only available for NHRA Drag racing. But it does make one hell of a street sleeper. :lol:
Nuf said, lets get back to Vettes! :thumbs:
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Re: New Dodge Hemi (Blue70)
turtlevette
We are all Chevy lovers here, and turbo Regals kick butt :steering:
But it's all about respect. The HEMI has earned it in all forms of racing, and on the street. I know back in the day it might have had a tough time on the street, real hard to keep in tune, and trying to get traction on the tires of yesterday, forget it..WAY too much torque. Even car mags back then said the 440 sixpack might be a better choice fo a street car.
Spouting off stuff like "The 426 is a tiny little engine by todays standards. If i wanna beat you i'll just drop in a Chevy BB 572. Chevy will always be able to outgun Ford and Chrysler." and " From what i understand you don't want a hemispherical combustion chamber. The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench." and last "Drag racers everywhere run chevy engines in ford and dodge autos" (Name some top guys........that some of us have heard of) shows a lack of respct, and knowledge of the subject matter.
Now like I said, it's about respect, and I respect your opinion, but please, if you are going to make off the wall claims, do some research first, so if you are right you'll have some facts to back them.
Either you get it, or you don't
Peace :seeya
We are all Chevy lovers here, and turbo Regals kick butt :steering:
But it's all about respect. The HEMI has earned it in all forms of racing, and on the street. I know back in the day it might have had a tough time on the street, real hard to keep in tune, and trying to get traction on the tires of yesterday, forget it..WAY too much torque. Even car mags back then said the 440 sixpack might be a better choice fo a street car.
Spouting off stuff like "The 426 is a tiny little engine by todays standards. If i wanna beat you i'll just drop in a Chevy BB 572. Chevy will always be able to outgun Ford and Chrysler." and " From what i understand you don't want a hemispherical combustion chamber. The chevy design is much better providing combustion chamber quench." and last "Drag racers everywhere run chevy engines in ford and dodge autos" (Name some top guys........that some of us have heard of) shows a lack of respct, and knowledge of the subject matter.
Now like I said, it's about respect, and I respect your opinion, but please, if you are going to make off the wall claims, do some research first, so if you are right you'll have some facts to back them.
Either you get it, or you don't
Peace :seeya
:nopity
i actually don't know crap about professional drag racing. But, I was under the impression that the top fuel and such engines were all made by 3rd party outfits now days and nobody is running stock Chrysler Ford or Chevy blocks anyway.
This is one of those discussions where everybody has a half-but opinion and thats all it is.......an opinion. I can't believe you guys get so upset about me and my half but opinion, again i don't know crap just having fun bench racing.
the bottom line for me is how much power can you get out of an practical streetable engine of a size that it can actually fit an a sporty car.
[Modified by turtlevette, 3:17 PM 3/15/2004]
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Re: New Dodge Hemi (paul67)
I sure like the commercial where the dad teaches his son about HEMI's.
Only my version as a new parent will be :
Sarah <my daughter> can you say. "Four-Twenty-Seven" ??? :thumbs:
....that's all ya need to know. :chevy
[Modified by verskel, 2:03 PM 3/15/2004]
Only my version as a new parent will be :
Sarah <my daughter> can you say. "Four-Twenty-Seven" ??? :thumbs:
....that's all ya need to know. :chevy
[Modified by verskel, 2:03 PM 3/15/2004]
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From: I can walk to MA
Re: New Dodge Hemi (verskel)
My 2 cents:
Nearly every auto maker is putting out an 8cylinder truck.
They all make great HP/torque.
It just bugs the crap out of me that Chrysler is drumming up such a hype
over 1hp/cu inch. If it's so great, they wouldn't be advertising with a bunch
of morons in the commercials. "Hey - that thing got a HEMI ?" (friggin moron)
Why would anyone want to argue against the merits of a race-prepped hemi ?
The disgust is with the NEW (as stated in title) Dodge Hemi.
My '98 Tahoe 350 pulls just fine. Spin up the tires ? yup. Would I ever buy a
RAM ? Nope. Honestly, I can't see all the interest in trucks with "too much" power.
Testosterone overload. I like my testosterone, but overdoing it can ruin the appeal.
Nearly every auto maker is putting out an 8cylinder truck.
They all make great HP/torque.
It just bugs the crap out of me that Chrysler is drumming up such a hype
over 1hp/cu inch. If it's so great, they wouldn't be advertising with a bunch
of morons in the commercials. "Hey - that thing got a HEMI ?" (friggin moron)
Why would anyone want to argue against the merits of a race-prepped hemi ?
The disgust is with the NEW (as stated in title) Dodge Hemi.
My '98 Tahoe 350 pulls just fine. Spin up the tires ? yup. Would I ever buy a
RAM ? Nope. Honestly, I can't see all the interest in trucks with "too much" power.
Testosterone overload. I like my testosterone, but overdoing it can ruin the appeal.
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Re: New Dodge Hemi (NHvette)
My 2 cents:
Nearly every auto maker is putting out an 8cylinder truck.
They all make great HP/torque.
It just bugs the crap out of me that Chrysler is drumming up such a hype
over 1hp/cu inch. .
Nearly every auto maker is putting out an 8cylinder truck.
They all make great HP/torque.
It just bugs the crap out of me that Chrysler is drumming up such a hype
over 1hp/cu inch. .
Chrysler must be on to something cause from the looks of this thread a lot of vette enthusiasts are falling all over themselves about it.