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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:08 AM
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I like my 1985.
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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When I opened this thread I certainly didn't expect the fireworks it's generated To add my two cents, there isn't any year Corvette that I don't like and that certainly applies to the C5's, especially the FRC and verts. I also have to disagree with Mr Mojo on one other point, the 63 SWC is the sweetest best looking of all the Corvettes. Now, back to the debate
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hot Rod 90
in defense of frank, and to extend my own personal opinion as well, i think he means the C5 has a crappy body style. and the seats blow.

the C5 styling sux and is the worst in corvette history. i will never own one, and i can say that with 100% conviction and a guarantee or your money back that i won't.

frank is right. its soon time the C5 will in fact be the redheaded bastard child in the corvette lineup.

jealous? not here. no way. i love c1, c2, c3, c4......c6, and am looking forward to c7.

81c3, it sounds like you're crying. its not becoming of a corvette enthusiast.

Actually, Frank doesnt need a "defense", as I wasnt attacking him. Seems like you need to put "IMO" at the end of many of your statements. It also seems to me like your rubbing your hands together wearing an evil sort of grin when you say "the C5 will be the redheaded bastardchild". Who the hell cares? Same as you not caring that the C4 is labeled that at present. IMO, it shouldnt have ever been labeled anything but a Vette.

And honestly, how the hell can you "love" the C1? I like the C1 only because its the begining of the rest of the generations. j/k

You need to step back & check yourself before throwing out acusations. I'm not "crying" about anything. I love C4's. I had an 89 coupe & a 94 Vert 6 sp. I loved both of them. If I had enough money, I would have kept the 94 in addition to buying my Z06.

Lighten up buddy. You have your "opinion" & are entitled to it. Just make sure you post it as such. I understand your frustration being a past C4 owner myself. The "black sheep" thing never bothered me. I like what I like I dont give a crap about name calling or labeling.

Most people who throw around namecalling or stupid acusations are simply misinformed. Have you ever had the pleasure of rowing through the gears in a Z06? If not, then I suggest you treat yourself to it sometime, if you can get past the "hidious" appearence of the FRC.

Bottom line is this, were all enthusiasts, so why do you find it necessary to bash other guys pride & joy? I'm sure you dont appreciate it when its done to your beloved C4.

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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMonster94
I entered my 1994 Admiral Blue Corvette Coupe in a car show this past Saturday in Wolfe City, TX (see second link). My class was 1984 and newer Corvette. In that class was one 1984 Vette, two 1994 Vettes (one was mine) and about four C5s. The class winner was the 1984 Vette shown in the first link, if memory serves me right. My car looked good, but didn't stand a chance against this tricked out 1984 coupe and the almost new, right out of storage C5s.
BTW, there were 297 cars on display at this small town show. 277 cars were registered in competitive classes. My car was one of those, #220.


http://www.imagesbeyond.com/images/c...autumn-014.jpg

http://www.imagesbeyond.com/pages/ce...arshow2006.htm
It appears that the '84 (in the first link) doesn't have the cross-fire set-up. Nice looking car.

Remember, the '84 was evolutionary in it's design and handling aspects. It was the fastest and best handling car of the day.

It also won Motor Trends car of the year. The reason it gets panned so much is due to the lack of mods for the car to increase hp. It's intake is restrictive which doesn't allow it to breath well. But, the engine is very reliable, just not easly modded.

It also got a bad rap from a magazine guy who didn't like the harsh ride (what a pansie). I for one, love the Z-51 handling on the track. On the street, it can get challenging on rough roads, but it's just improving my driving skills
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Mojo
the crappy C5

The later 4th gens outperformed the early 5th gens up until about 2001

To buy an '84-'96, you have to be a real enthusiast.


I love my C4, but the reality is that the C5 is a better performance car than even the '96 Corvette. Neither the 345hp or the 350hp LS1 takes a back seat to the LT1 or LT4, in any performance category.
No arguement about being an enthusuist to buy a C4, but that doesn't mean that ONLY the C4 guy is an enthusiast; I know far too many C5 owners who are fanatical performance people and they put their money down when it comes to making their own Vette faster and better handling.

While each generation undeniably gets "better", the question remains: do they get more desireable?? For me, the answer is "no". I'm too old and too old school to appreciate the C6 for anything other than an awesomely fast sports car. The C5 Z06, to me, is the epogee of Corvettes.
But, I am quite sure that my C4 will have a prominent place in my will, when the time comes.

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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Mojo
The 5th gen guys are the ones who got good jobs and bought whatever the current Corvette was. To buy an '84-'96, you have to be a real enthusiast.
It's kind of unfair to compare the cost of a new car to a fairly used one. Adjusted for inflation, late 1980s C4s were the most expensive standard Corvettes ever. So, whoever bought your C4s new was doing quite well...

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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:12 AM
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The lack of respect is all relative. Is it jealousy, ignorance or just personal preference? The only person anyone should be concerned with is themselves. Do you like what you own/drive? If you do than great. If not,than get one you do like. All years are good/great for different reasons.

I have loved these cars since I saw my first chrome bumper shark in the late 1960's. I always wanted a Corvette and it took me about 35 years to get my first one (a beautiful (to me) 1978 rubber bumper). I love the styling of this car and bought it because it was affordable. Put a few bolt on mods and it runs better than stock. Unless I get too strapped for cash, will likely keep this one for time in memoriam. That being said I would love a chrome bumper car with a big motor but can't justify the $$$. Same goes for that wine w/ silver cove 1959 a guy in the neighborhood has or a red 65. I would likely give a lung or other body part for it but $$$ talks and .....

Bitten by the bug with my 78, I read everything I can on Corvettes, lurk on this forumn and watch ads, classifieds etc. I was never a huge fan of the C-4 styling but this was partly because I had never been in one/driven one and was bit naive and uninformed. I did research, drove several model years and found out this is one fine machine and the looks are actually incredible (different from the shark but awesome in it's own right). I find an affordable 1995 in my area and now I own two Corvettes. This one has all the creature comforts the 1978 does not have and is the fastest car I have ever owned. Best of all the wife loves this car and this is probably one we will keep as well.

Like the C-4, the C-5 originally was not my favorite styling. It too is growing on me and is the next refinement of the Corvette. I drove a 1999 and it was fast and very comfortable. Haven't been in or driven a C-6 but it is one beautiful car. I never say never.
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bizaro
have to remember back in the day they were state of the art. nothing wrong with the early c4's at all, all things get improved upon. its the azzhats that need to bash to feel better about themselves.
Yep, state of the art.
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by newyiddy20
Hot Rod my old friend, it seems like you dont post unless its C5 bashing. very few times in my life (in person or this forum) have i seen someone detest a car sooooo much as you do (C5) did the C5 bully you in school or steal your girlfriend take it easy,learn to enjoy the car thats universally loved by everyone who sees them and drives them. when i drive mine,its like hanging out with a popular celebrity,just as i am sure your cars does too
oh, you need to see my bashing on islam in OT PR&C

honestly, C5 styling not only hasn't grown on me, its gone in the opposite direction and become worse ever since it came out. i'm very glad the C6 has corrected some of the anti-corvette styling that C5 offered.

it's all just a matter of opinion. i just happen to know what i like and what i don't like. and hey, after all that takes practice
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 81c3
Actually, Frank doesnt need a "defense", as I wasnt attacking him. Seems like you need to put "IMO" at the end of many of your statements. It also seems to me like your rubbing your hands together wearing an evil sort of grin when you say "the C5 will be the redheaded bastardchild". Who the hell cares? Same as you not caring that the C4 is labeled that at present. IMO, it shouldnt have ever been labeled anything but a Vette.

And honestly, how the hell can you "love" the C1? I like the C1 only because its the begining of the rest of the generations. j/k

You need to step back & check yourself before throwing out acusations. I'm not "crying" about anything. I love C4's. I had an 89 coupe & a 94 Vert 6 sp. I loved both of them. If I had enough money, I would have kept the 94 in addition to buying my Z06.

Lighten up buddy. You have your "opinion" & are entitled to it. Just make sure you post it as such. I understand your frustration being a past C4 owner myself. The "black sheep" thing never bothered me. I like what I like I dont give a crap about name calling or labeling.

Most people who throw around namecalling or stupid acusations are simply misinformed. Have you ever had the pleasure of rowing through the gears in a Z06? If not, then I suggest you treat yourself to it sometime, if you can get past the "hidious" appearence of the FRC.

Bottom line is this, were all enthusiasts, so why do you find it necessary to bash other guys pride & joy? I'm sure you dont appreciate it when its done to your beloved C4.

out/
in/ i thought i did preface my comments with saying its my opinion. no matter, of course you're right, its all just opinion either way. and thats the beauty of a public forum -- you can express your views

now the Z06 i haven't driven. take the C5 exterior shell off, change the seats and i would be a happy man
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by newyiddy20
i dont get this post at all........and your a moderator ? bashing C5's just to justify the C4's position ? its a big world out there. more than Vette clubs and car shows and this forum. you paint with a pretty broad brush and its still a narrow stroke. just because one has read a few books and owns a Vette or two,doesnt make them an expert on people's sentiments. i know Plenty of people with Vettes thru out the generations that love all Vettes(like me) and would never call any one of them "crappy" my parents taught me," dont say nada,if you cant say nice" and your last paragraph,contradicts your bashing it is what it is though.........

Personally, I'm not a mojo fan but I liked his personal take on the C4/C5.
Its about evolution.
He wasn't bashing the C5 he was stating a personal opinion.

Deep down inside everybody knows the C5 is an excellent car some just know it first hand.

Never met a Corvette that I didn't like.
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mikey whipreck
I like my 1985.
The older it gets the more I like it.........
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 11:52 AM
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I like em all

I saw somewhere that the 84 C4 was the car that saved the Corvette as a sports car
Great power for the day and world class handling
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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I currently own a C3 (1974 big block), an early C4 (84), and a C5 (1999). They are all great cars for different reasons. I do get tired of the 84 bashers. It is a great car. Most people who talk trash on it have never owned one. Although it always gets criticized, I have never had any issues with the crossfire injection. Funny that you rarely hear the 82 being criticized even though it has the same engine. You have to look at the 84 in context of its time. Take a look at what else was being sold in 1984. It's not fair to compare it to cars that came after, of course they are better. As to the C5, styling is matter of personal preference but I have to tell you it is an amazing car. Ride, performance, handling, it has it all. I drive mine every day, it currently has 63,000 on the odomter and it has had zero problems. I really don't see the need to bash any of the generations. I have owned every generation except C1 and C6 and they all had their good and bad points but I never saw a factory original Corvette I did'nt like.
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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'62 is my favorite but I like 'em all - save for the psuedo, Caddy Vette. I do think that if GM can't make it more appealing to those outside of the Boomer generation, there won't be any more Vettes. Numbers and the UAW have got to be a concern too. Even with the Caddy, some Walmart cost accountant somewhere is probably going nuts (or maybe he/she still works for Nissan/Renault).
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 04:53 PM
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Loved my 93 C4 Z07. Love my 02 Z06. What's not to like?
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KBRVETTE93
Loved my 93 C4 Z07. Love my 02 Z06. What's not to like?
I love them all. However, I would give my left one for a new C6
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Hello,

I love all Vettes too (except maybe the plastic bumper 305ci sleds). I just notice that when I go on the Ferarri forum in the 308/328 section that no one ever puts down certain years or the performance of certain models. I always have looked at the C4 (I like the term, sounds explosive ) as world beaters and just as good looking as Ferarris. I hate to say it but when one of our members pictured his comp yellow C4 next to a yellow C6, The C4 in the pic kinda made the newer car look plain. I feel that way about 308 Ferarris and there newer stuff as well.


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......The same can not be said for looks though, the car peaked in 1967 with the best looking vette ever and it went downhill from there until the 2005 model, where it's starting to look better again..........QUOTE]

Au contraire Mojo, The '64 coupe was decidedly the best looking C2. The '67 was actually a stripped version of it's forebearers! However, I think history will prove the early C4 body style is the most classic after the C2. If they had just changed the rear end as they did but with round lights and left the front end alone, they would have had it perfect!
Personally I like the '65, true that the '64 was much better than the '63. I mention '67 because it was the last of that body style.
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Originally Posted by redwing76
Personally, I'm not a mojo fan but I liked his personal take on the C4/C5.
Really? You never mentioned that before.
Its about evolution.
He wasn't bashing the C5 he was stating a personal opinion.
correct and as Brad stated above, it's more of the things that are worse in the C5 such as the crappy seats, the best seats were '93 and earlier.

Deep down inside everybody knows the C5 is an excellent car some just know it first hand.
I'd be an idiot if I said the 5th gen wasn't a good car, it is, but it has some quirks that are worse than teh 4th gen quirks.

Never met a Corvette that I didn't like.
there are a few I can mention, but I won't, but these would be specific examples, not necessarily a whole generation.
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