ah..... we can all agree to disagree. no need to be insulting to each other

 

EDIT everyone seems happy now woo hoo

 

Some people feel they have a need to go over my head.

Like I said before, some people who don't know me won't understand how or why I say certain things. Add to the fact that there are quite a few folks who don't know how to interpret what is written and the true meaning behind it.

10 people can read the same sentence and you will get 10 different views on it.

That doesn't make any of it right or wrong.

Besides in the past, most of the C4 vs C5 fights have started or got worse when the C5 guys jump in.

I'll give an example.

Back in September or 1999, I created a post titled:

C4 vs C5

The body of the post stated a simple question, it was,"Why are there more C4 posts than C5? Is it because their cars are newer and don't have anything wrong with them? Or is it because there are more of us?

At that time, the C4 section ruled because the C5 had only been out three years, so there were far more C4 owners on the board.

Leave it to a C5 guy to come in, read the title and start blasting away. Had he taken the time to read the body of th epost, I'm sure he wouldn't have answered the way he did.(he said a lot of not nice things about C4's and their owners) Of course that started a big fight and it was my first hijacked thread and my first locked one.

Two years later, I become a moderator and have to deal with it from the other side. But I have to have a little fun as well.

See what I maen about spending a day in my shoes? If you knew what I go through on a daily basis and then some of the crap I have to deal with here, you might change your tune.

Try coming home after a hard day's work and have a PM box full of complaints and requests and my email inbox full of reported posts.
Since I am the only C4 Moderator, that's a lot to handle in a very short time.

So give me a break if I need to vent a little.

Everything I said in my first post is opinion and most of it is fact. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you, but I will tell you right now, I don't make up stories.

It is true that I beat every stock C5 I raced at the track. It's true that they(C5's) have had issues and some were corrected and some weren't.

It's a fact that the C5 did cost less than a C4 back in the early years and it is a fact that the C5 is lighter.

It is a fact that even with all the quirks of a C5 it is a better engineered car than the C4.

It is my opinion that the C4 is superior in the looks department, and one that is shared by the majority of this section.

It is a fact that it is a buyers market and those wishing t make big bucks off the sale of any C4 or C5 willnot get what they want(excluding some special edition cars).

 

It happens! Ask me how I know. I experienced every sh*ty thing a '99 C5 can have. GM had to buy my '99 vette back Thank goodness for the lemon law!

I've had my '93 for a while now and have not had any drama compared to the '99.

I still love the C5, Just not my '99.....

 

I also prefer the 2005 and up over the 97-04. But there are some weak links where the C5 is superior, most notably the rear axle.

We had quite a few guys break the rears in their 05's where after all teh years the C5's have raced, I don't recall a single one breaking a rear, just trannies and torque tubes.

 

Man, I gotta tell ya that steering lock up is scary.
I read it was "fixed". Then theres brake line problems, (C5 Forum).

Delco batteries leaking at the post and taking out the computer under the battery. (C5 forum).

I was surprized at all the problems that the C5 has. Again this is from the C5 Forum.

Don't get me wrong I like the C5 its everything the C4 isn't.
Its smooth, and quite, and plush. I prefer luxury in a car as opposed to in your face, no frills, sports cars.

The dash is a little hard on the eyes, plastic........the steering wheel will never win a prize. On the other no opti is a plus. Engines with steel cyclinder liners are fussy when it comes to anti-freeze, if its not changed on time you could lose as liner.

The sytling on the C5 in its basic form isn't all that great, but some of the guys on the C5 forum has put together some really good looking cars.

The C6 looks like a copy of the Dodge Viper.
In the styling department GM dropped the ball along time ago.

You like to argue, thats a good thing.

 

Can`t we all just get along

 

I'm 57 and got my 1st vette may 1.
85 C4 red. Getting a vette was one of the things on my "things I have to do in my life. Took me awhile but I got a great one.
But it could have been any year, I don't care. I just know I love to drive it because it's my vette. Every time I go thru the kitchen door to the garage and see it sitting there, it makes me smile every time.
Let me say that being here with all of you has helped me appreciate it even more. You are a great bunch of guy's that even thru the argueing would help anyone here. Thanks Gang

 

actually, i don't like to argue at all,too nerve racking. im just defending my machine against cristism that i find to be untrue from people that should know better. again, i love C4s and all Corvettes,and i do know that this is a public forum and you can't convince everybody,so why even try ? the C5 is a much better car than the C4 in all areas(styling subjective) i owned both cars, so i can make that comparison objectively. it has nothing to do with ownership,it has everything to do with the passage of time and a company(GM) thats been screwed up for 30 years or more. enjoy your machines to the fullest, im enjoying mine.and dont forget to WAVE..........

 

the 2 posts directly above are really great. i enjoyed reading them.

if gm had styled the c5 differently, i would have fallen in love with it like i do all the other generations (for all different reasons).

true, overall (but not entirely), c5 has the superior package (underneath) over the c4. its just that the package over top kills it for folks like me, stops the show to a screeching halt altogther.

bantering and a little light infighting is good and its healthy. let's all just be a little tougher and we'll all be fine. may the brotherhood of corvette live forever

 

MAN some modded C5s look AMAZING!! The average every day C5 looks just fine but there are so many of them its kinda like mustangs but not as bad. Originally, I liked the C5s way more than the C4s, but after owning my C4 fopr around 4 months now its actually reversed and Ive come to like the C4 style more. Then of course there is the C6, i have a hard time deciding between the 4 and 6, but 6 will enevitably win with me- specifically because it doesnt have popup headlights


Now onto other subjects, we all need to stop bashing on mojo a bit Im still overjoyed with that door lock piece he sent me Everyone has the right to express their opinion yes? and face it, at least the majority of what he says is based on fact and experience.

Remember everyone, it pays to be kind

 

who gives a damn what other people own or drive!.....buy and drive what YOU like ,and the hell with the rest of the world.....what a stupid ,juvenile topic! .....its only a car.

 

Dont say such things!

 

Wow, this is quite the thread going.... glad to see the spirited debate, and by-and-large everyone getting along.

Cars are a personal thing. Sports cars are a very personal thing. I was 20 years old when the '86 Pace Car came out with the droptop after being gone for 10 years. One look was all it took for me, I fell head over heels in love with the car. I love almost each and every Corvette, there is no such thing as a bad one really. But, the '86 Pace Car left a spot on my soul that could only be remedied by eventually owning one.

20 years I waited. 20 years, not a day went by that I didn't think of it. I had a couple real nice Camaro's, a killer Nova, and a bunch of beaters, but each day passed and all I could think of was getting one. It became an obsession almost. My wife and I bought this Mustang GT that had a few goodies on it, as a stop-gap method of at least keeping me in a muscle car. I really didn't enjoy it much. I always compared it to the Vette. We sold it soon after, it just didn't drive my passion any.

Then, another couple of "normal day-to-day" cars came to our driveways, but I hated them. I hated spending money on repairs on a car that I did not like. Again, comparing them to the Vette.

My 40th birthday came up this July, and my beloved wife said to me, "Maybe it's time to just go for it. It means so much to you, let's not leave this planet without that experience." I was overwhelmed with joy.

We spent 8 weeks looking. I did all the research on the internet that I could. We drove several, most of them lacking in one area or another that mattered to us. Within short order, we realized we were looking for one very specific car. A 1987 Roadster, preferrably red.

Each day shopping, my heart ached. I did not know if we could find our beloved car, I did not know if when we DID find it, could we afford it? I had almost given up hope there for awhile... until.

I opened up Auto Trader online one afternoon, and there she was.... the exact, precise, to the letter, car we were so desperately searching for. Everything was as it should be. She's red. She's a convertible. She's got the L98 that I fell in love with some 20 years before.....

Now, our car needs attention in some small areas; common problems really. We are planning on genuinely loving and cherishing every moment of finding the parts, getting it fixed, and enjoying the outcome.

Every day I go to work now, my heart is filled with absolute joy. The kind of joy a 5 year old has when he sees his favorite toy under the tree Christmas morning. This car has shown me that I haven't grown up, and in all actuality, have no plans to do so anytime soon.

I get all sorts of reactions from people. Mostly, young kids stop dead in their tracks and point and talk when they see us go by. Some people are not impressed.

I could not care one iota. We have our dream car, in every form of the term, and absolutely nothing is going to take away this feeling. I sincerely hope you all have a similar experience with your cars. They truly are the Greatest Sports Car in the World, in my opinion, and nothing gives me greater joy than sharing my love and enthusiasm with anyone else who might be interested.

 

It took me awhile to warm up to the c4s. I always loved the mid years and sharks. Then I drove a 84 and said whoa....not bad! Didn't end up buy the car but I had a new respect and eventually.....

 

Nope, you have it straight. At least the '84s are worse.

 

Hello,

Mojo, how did you come to have two C4s? Are they set up different? Most people either a) sell one,buy another b) ones a coupe others a vert, or c) other rides a donor?

What's the story

MDred85

 

Long story short. I bought my '95 six speed after weeks and weeks of looking for the right car.

It was the first car I saw, but the last I looked at(because I bought it).

The first cars I looked at were 77's and 78's(really want a 78), but they were all crap and the prices reflected it. SO the hunt continued, I found a beautiful 96 LT1 coupe. 11,000 miles for $26,000. I should have bought it, it was beautiful.
Across the street and down was Kerbeck, went there and looked at a brand new 2000 FRC(this was Sept of 99). It was $36,400, I should have bought that, it also was a beautiful car, but I wasn't sure I wanted a new Corvette at the time.
So the search continued, I saw my '95 still sitting on the lot at the dealership, so I stopped in with a delivery and asked about it.
Salesman said to come back after I got off work, so I did.
He throws me the keys and says not to beat on it. SO I take it out on the backroads and proceed to beat the **** out of it. Burnouts everything, I was having fun.
I came back with a huge smile and said, "I'll take it".

That night I joined the forum, the next day I was a C4 owner. Through the forum, I met up with some local racers and started racing teh vette in 2000. I was on fire, tearing it up and setting records that people to this day still don't believe.(see my sig).
2001 was a banner year for me, I won everything. By this time I had several hundred runs on my 6 speed, and our Corvette series was starting to take off(I was responsible for reviving the series at our track).
At this point I wanted a new car to race so I could keep the vette as a daily driver, so I was looking to buy a new Z28 for racing. But Chris from ECS said that I can't race a Camaro in the Corvette series, he was right. He showed me a car he was going to buy(my current '93) he even negotiated a price which I ended up paying, the salesman agreed to it even though I wasn't the original buyer. Chris had bought a pristine '92 and convinced me that we could build twin cars(exceot for the color-his was white). So I bought my '93 and didn't tell anyone. This was December of '01 and the new season was starting in February, so I was just going to play it off like it was the same car I always had.
The car performed horribly teh first year, I broke a lot of stuff and had to replace a bunch of stuff that wasn't related to racing.
2002 wasn't a good year, but 2003 was worse, that's when I had all kinds of crap going on, namely the optispark, so I converted to the C5 style ignition system.
2004 the car got consistent and I set a new personal best. 2005 wasn't a good year, I almost lost my father and this year isn't going so good at the track.

But in the meantime I became a moderator of this site(late 2001) and just about evey mod at at least two vettes, so I figured why not keep both, one for the street and one for the track. I'm not done yet, I need a red/red 94 ZR1 and a red/red 96 LT4 convertible to round out the C4 collection.
That way I'll have every year of torch red, all three body styles, all three engines available with those years, also both types of transmissions and both speed density and maf cars.
I'll have it all.
Then I can search out my '65, and I have a buddy with a killer '62 with a mile long waiting list to buy it and I also want a 57 or 59.
Then when I buy my '69(I missed the chance on three occasions to buy the same car) I can worry about a newer one.
As of right now it makes more sense to buy a new '07 than a used '04. I have decided that the only C5 I really want is a Z, but maybe a vert, I would take a coupe if the price is right(found a beauty with 4000 miles for $31,000)
So there's my story in a nutshell. One day I'll tell the long one.