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Old May 5, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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I'm almost finished porting the Team G out...and i don't even wanna fathon the exact amount of aluminum shavings & dust i've created. i'll post pics later tonight.

my chrome alternator brackets came in today. they look schweeeeeet

i'm in the process of cutting the brackets off the frame again. i'm also cutting 1" steel to reinforce the crossmember. i have to build out the front 2" for the brackets. this means a relocation and extension of the stock sway bar. but in that process i'll be coming underneath the crossmember and up the back side with the steel stock. should be plenty strong. i'm also making a custom brace similar to the R-D unit but slightly beefier.
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Old May 5, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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This is a cool conversion...I can't wait to see it finished.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 10:27 PM
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Today i got 2 presents. alternator brackets & a dipstick.

brackets had to be hella modified to bolt on. cheap ebay chrome does that to you.

the dipstick had to be bent to clear the block huggers but fits ok.

and im sorry that i didn't get any pics of the ported intake, but it is finished and installed as well.

sway bar has been removed - i don't think i can fit it back in with the rack so far forward. this may need a custom item. perhaps through additional chassis stiffening i can eliminate it with little penalty.
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Old May 9, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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Well, my crosmember is about 85% built out to accomodate the steering rack mounts. it also grew alot...ALOT beefier. 1" square solid steel was used. i don't think it will flex at all. by time i'm done it will have bracing on 3 sides. I also plan on running a brace from the backside of the crossmember motor mount directly to the frame once the driveline is in place. this should help kep the motor securely planted even with the stock mounts. the front frame brace may or may not be in my way. it looks like out of sheer convienience i'll be relocating it a bit farther forward but rebuilding it out of much stronger stuff. i'll also be doing other miscellaneous bracing as i see fit.

also, as a result of the newfound stiffness. for the time being the sway bar will not be going back in till i can figure out a way to extend/route it out of the way.

pictures tomorrow after i tidy it up a bit
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Old May 10, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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the crossmember is about 85% complete. i welded 2 braces down the motor side of the crossmember on either side of the oil pan notch and 2 bars from front to back to tie into the front i built up for the steering rack. the entire prossmember is pretty much boxed in solid steel now. flex it shall not!...nor ever! - it's earned the nichname "hulk" cause it's about 30lbs porkier.

i am also gonna tie the front of the motor mounts back into the crossmember and the rears directly to the frame. motor no move...

sway bar is permanently gone

the cross brace in the front will have to be modified/relocated to clear the steering rack. radiator shroud and fans...oh yeah they gotta move too. alot. i'll have the radiator pushed all the way forward and the upper and lower shrouds modified to fit. i'll need slimline electric fans to clear...at least clear so i still have room to work.


i have pics, but i keep putting off postign them cause i'm either busy with the car or busy being lazy...time for chinese buffet!!!
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Old May 11, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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Here's the mountain of pics i promised you guys, just to bring you up to speed...there's soem shots of the newly beefed crossmember, radiator shroud mockup, the motor on the stand, and the Mad Dog 700R4 with tailshaft housing mounted and ready to go.








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ok since the forum is being retarded and won't display any of my new messages in my browser for some reason...lets try the pics again








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Old May 11, 2006 | 07:47 AM
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The 1996-2000 vortec-7400 is another FI intake option.

Having the throttle on the side makes it quite low profile near the front where it is closest to the hood.



I have serached for a while and now I have some good pictures of the intake.





The plenum is the big 'donut' wher the throttle body is and it also fills the length of the lower half of the intake. The runners go up over and into the heads on the opposite side. Almost like an upside down TPI. The runners are siamesed the first half.





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Old May 11, 2006 | 12:58 PM
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IF I were to do it again, I would simply use a four barrel manifold (or score one off of E-bay that is already plubmed for fuel injection) and mill it down at the carb/throttle body flange maybe .5" or so to give me enough room to fab up a low profile elbow that bolts where the carb/throttle body normally would. This would allow me to located the throttle body forward and using the stock throttle bracket/cable, and retain the stock hood for that stealthy look. Oh, and it would be MUCH MUCH cheaper than going the custom manifold route.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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This is what we did on a friends BBC Turbo IROC. It still clears the stock hood.







Read all about it here:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...c-project.html
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tony,have you been peekin into my workshop?
the manifolds that are made with efi nozzle bosses already on em are all ''high riser'' type and if you milled enuf off to get under the stock hood, you'd be well into the runners....but i found two manifolds that will work ( and i've stopped looking cause the project needs to move forward), an edelbrock t0rrker ll and one that was part of a b&m mini-blower set-up that bit off something it couldn't chew...neither will need the manifold top milled down to fit under the stock hood (altho i may get an aftermarket hood just to cut weight)if i make the inlet plenum less than 3'' high...both manifolds have good runner shape to accept injectors...i'm gonna tap (i made screw-in injector bungs) both manifolds tonight--the b/m actually sits a bit lower but the edel looks like it will flow better--time will tell
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Old May 11, 2006 | 02:57 PM
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well howdy joby! nice to see everyone's still around.

i think fuel injection might be the motor's future, but not by that method. i tink to supply it i'd pretty much need a single plane converted. i have no qualms about just staying with a carb simply because this isn't an everyday street car. it's meant to be big & nasty. the pictures definitely are interesting though and if i had one laying around, i wouldn't be too scared to try it.

today's plans call for finishing up the steering rack mounts and removal of the stock cross-brace. this will not be going back in until the car is almost complete and just before final install just so we can determine how much room we'll have left. i also have an idea for a much stronger version.

oh, the turbo BBC...simply badass! almost has me thinking...but too bad headers are already a nightmare!
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Old May 11, 2006 | 11:56 PM
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steering rach has been permantly reinstalled in car. all brackets were shimed/welded and are set to go. stock crossbrace is gone, and sadly enough didn't come out in one piece so it definitely won't be going back in. i'll fab something up once the car is about complete.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 03:43 AM
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Been watchin'. It seems to be coming along well. Especially for an undertaking like this. Got the '84 runnin as soon as I got that bracket from ya. Turned out the Al bracket from the head to the back of the A/C compressor broke at the bolt behind the compressor long ago. That allowed the bracket I replaced w/the one from you ,to twist to failure. I bought some thick wall 1/2 inch Al tubing. Cut it. Hammered the ends flat and bent just like the original. Drilled the bolt holes and now it all works. I definately won't be going the BBC route in the '84-too much like work! Just my little bit of fabrication was enough for this year. Lookin' forward to the final result!

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Old May 13, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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HVAC cover modification 1/2 complete...cover will be lexan...not like anyone needs to see that but hey it'll be neat!...
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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HVAC cover pieces have been cut to fit and the last piece is being bonded as i type this. gorilla glue works wonders! after it fully cures i'm gonna trim away excess lexan and clean up the excess glue the best i can and run a bead of silicone on all joints just to be sure it seals. i'm not sure why i felt the need for a see through HVAC cover, but i had free lexan sittin here at the house and mods don't get any better than free!

with this cover damn near done, i will be ready to semi-permanently mount the 427 in it's new home. i say only semi-permanent because i still have alot of odds & ends to test fit and such. also, trans will not be going in at this time, although the flexplate and starter will be mounted. i still need to install the accessory drive onto the motor and modify if nessesary. i believe an idler pulley may be in order for the cog system but time will tell. i also need to find some BBC Short water pump power steering brackets that hang the pump low on the drivers side, OR get some new hoses made and swap it over to the passenger side because there's bukoos of room over there without the AC and keeping the Alternator on the drivers side.

also, i need to work on the mockup of the radiator & such and start saving for the BeCool unit i'll be purchasing to handle the additional load. IF i can sneak by for now that'd be sweet but i doubt it...this is Dave we're talking about afterall.

I did find some new fittings here atthe house to replace the ones on the transmission lines that i mangled upon removal. no big deal at all. it'll prolly get replaced with braided stainless when the time comes though.

It's time to start worrying about the fuel system. right now car has a stock 85 TPI fuel pump. wether or not this will be adequate is a matter of opinion but it's built to supply in excess of 40psi. The carb really needs under 9psi. A nice aeromotive FPR will take care of that job for me. we'll see if it's adequate later. afterall, swapping to a higher flow pump isn't all that difficult.

oh, does anyone know where i might get some sort of adapter to extend my steering shaft? or know anyone right offhand that could either extend my stock shaft or make a new one about 2" longer than stock?
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Old May 14, 2006 | 05:06 AM
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too cool

Design some chassis braces for us c4 owners while you're in there
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Old May 14, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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well, someone can try to copy the crossmember, but i'd suggest lighter material. steel is heavy...lol

i'll need to design something to replace the stock front crossbrace, but thats a little ways away

it's too bad i only have 2 days off a week (and hopefully less soon, i need cash) or i might be a little further along...this is about all i do in my spare time now besides beer...and since when is beer ever a bad thing?
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Old May 14, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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the modified HVAC cover is now complete. i'm waiting for the silicone to dry. not really thinking, i ran the bead on the outside as opposed to the inside...kinda messy and nasty looking right now (whoops)...then again this stuff is supposed to dry clear so we shall see. either way, it's sealed up and i'll give it about 24hrs to set up then i'll reinstall it and snap a few pics for you all
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Old May 15, 2006 | 03:02 AM
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HVAC cover re-installed. pics follow. also a shot of my big empty engine bay and a shot of the top of the crossmember where you can see how much i built it out and how far forward the rack is.





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