427 update
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
I would not worry a bit.
The builder usually offsets the parting line of the seal aprox 1/4 inch, and puts a thin smear of rtv on the edges that butt together,.
2 PC seals worked for 30 years, and still do.
I did receive the check. I presume the converter arrived safely as well?
The builder usually offsets the parting line of the seal aprox 1/4 inch, and puts a thin smear of rtv on the edges that butt together,.
2 PC seals worked for 30 years, and still do.
I did receive the check. I presume the converter arrived safely as well?
Maybe I'll start a thread on that....
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 3,099
Likes: 0
From: PITTSBURGH PA
Cruise-In IV Veteran
Cruise-In V Veteran
I just notice this thread now i do not come on here as much as i used to. I will give you my personell take on this since i built and had my hands on some of the faster na c4s on this site. My old 434 in my vete went as fast as 10.27 with a set of brodix cnc track1s that flowed 310 cfm. my 355 went as fast as 10.79 with a set of mildly touched up afr 195s that probally go 280 cfm. and my 67 camaro with a 430 with a set of dart ported 215s that went 307 cfm have allready went 9.97. If you would have asked me 10 years ago what head was the best i would have said afr hands down, but over time i proved each head is very good from all three companys if they flow the number which in this case 300+ cfm. i do think the afr claims are a little inflated tho. Out of the box the afr are probally a little better. but a lot of these bigger engine bulder will buy the brodix and dart heads bare for 550-600 pair. And do some work to them to make the number they need to achieve. So in the end they are as good or better than the afrs are, and they put more money in their own pocket, since they did there own work instead of paying somebody to do it for them. i personally have no preference i can take any of the above mentioned heads and make them work as PROVEN IN MY ABOVE COMBOS.
Last edited by CORKVETTE1; Aug 17, 2008 at 08:25 PM.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 3,099
Likes: 0
From: PITTSBURGH PA
Cruise-In IV Veteran
Cruise-In V Veteran
JSUP Do you think you will make it to carlisle with this new motor? Me and jim (85vet) will be there also and jim is thinking about putting his on the dyno this year too. It would be neat to see what your 427 makes to his warmed over 383. let us know?
Race Director
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,749
Likes: 41
ok...I dropped off the deposit today for the 427
I'm going with a 232/238 cam
Heads are not determined yet. Either Dart or Brodix
I am changing the SR to the MR. I have a sentimental attachment to the SR as the car was a TPI car from day one, which at this point seems not to matter. The MR makes more sense
We are going 10.5 compression
Pat is estimating at least 550 CHP, we're thinking closer to 575.
This will be a unique engine as it will be the first one built on this new Dart block platform. Vic from Edlebrock is watching this build closely and intends to offer a motor based on the results of this build. Dart is also watching it closely to determine what they will do with this block.
Pat is going to try to get it done before Carlisle, so I can go there.
I am getting custom valve covers that will read "Pat Musi Performance" on one side of the cover, and 427 #1 on the other....
If anyone has any interest or questions, PM me. This is a new block, which from what Pat says, is almost impossible to get right now. He is starting the build soon...
I'm going with a 232/238 cam
Heads are not determined yet. Either Dart or Brodix
I am changing the SR to the MR. I have a sentimental attachment to the SR as the car was a TPI car from day one, which at this point seems not to matter. The MR makes more sense
We are going 10.5 compression
Pat is estimating at least 550 CHP, we're thinking closer to 575.
This will be a unique engine as it will be the first one built on this new Dart block platform. Vic from Edlebrock is watching this build closely and intends to offer a motor based on the results of this build. Dart is also watching it closely to determine what they will do with this block.
Pat is going to try to get it done before Carlisle, so I can go there.
I am getting custom valve covers that will read "Pat Musi Performance" on one side of the cover, and 427 #1 on the other....
If anyone has any interest or questions, PM me. This is a new block, which from what Pat says, is almost impossible to get right now. He is starting the build soon...
Is that 232/238 cam an off the shelf cam? Curious as to whom makes it and what is the lift and lobe seperation?
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
I tried, but I started it too late. I should have started it sooner.
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
I just notice this thread now i do not come on here as much as i used to. I will give you my personell take on this since i built and had my hands on some of the faster na c4s on this site. My old 434 in my vete went as fast as 10.27 with a set of brodix cnc track1s that flowed 310 cfm. my 355 went as fast as 10.79 with a set of mildly touched up afr 195s that probally go 280 cfm. and my 67 camaro with a 430 with a set of ported 215s that went 307 cfm have allready went 9.97. If you would have asked me 10 years ago what head was the best i would have said afr hands down, but over time i proved each head is very good from all three companys if they flow the number which in this case 300+ cfm. i do think the afr claims are a little inflated tho. out of the box the afr are prbally a little better. but a lot of these bigger engine bulder will buy the brodix and dart heads bare for 550-600 pair. And do some work to them to make the number they need to achieve. So in the end they are as good or better than the afrs are, and they put more money in their own pocket, since they did there own work instead of paying somebody to do it for them. i personally have no preference i can take any of the above mentioned heads and make them work as PROVEN IN MY ABOVE COMBOS.
Race Director
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,749
Likes: 41
I think I am going with a custom cam as well. One that will work with my punny 195cc heads!
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer
Brett Foote
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems
Pouria Savadkouei
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years
Joe Kucinski
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972
Joe Kucinski
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!
Michael S. Palmer
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!
Joe Kucinski
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter
Joe Kucinski
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time
Verdad Gallardo
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
The only issue is that the new shop isn't done yet, to pull the motor. They are two weeks behind. This is the first job in the new shop. If I wanted to pull my own motor, it would be done. Not something I have time for.
Safety Car
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 16
From: Little Elm TX
I just notice this thread now i do not come on here as much as i used to. I will give you my personell take on this since i built and had my hands on some of the faster na c4s on this site. My old 434 in my vete went as fast as 10.27 with a set of brodix cnc track1s that flowed 310 cfm. my 355 went as fast as 10.79 with a set of mildly touched up afr 195s that probally go 280 cfm. and my 67 camaro with a 430 with a set of ported 215s that went 307 cfm have allready went 9.97. If you would have asked me 10 years ago what head was the best i would have said afr hands down, but over time i proved each head is very good from all three companys if they flow the number which in this case 300+ cfm. i do think the afr claims are a little inflated tho. out of the box the afr are prbally a little better. but a lot of these bigger engine bulder will buy the brodix and dart heads bare for 550-600 pair. And do some work to them to make the number they need to achieve. So in the end they are as good or better than the afrs are, and they put more money in their own pocket, since they did there own work instead of paying somebody to do it for them. i personally have no preference i can take any of the above mentioned heads and make them work as PROVEN IN MY ABOVE COMBOS.
Are you still running the MAF or did you swap it out back when Jesse did his too ?
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 3,099
Likes: 0
From: PITTSBURGH PA
Cruise-In IV Veteran
Cruise-In V Veteran
Todd i do not mess with what works, I still use my stock maf and stock 85 computer,By the way how is that larger stroker motor coming? Are you still over in ohio?
Safety Car
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 16
From: Little Elm TX
Still in Ohio, but getting transferred soon....
The motor is done, have to buy a few more odds & ends before putting it in..... but I have a shoulder injury at the moment, so just waiting to get healthy... hard to get any work done in the garage when every freakn move is painful.
btw, one of the things I need is an oil pan..... you have any recommendations, I used to have a miloden 6 qt that worked great with the C4's, but I don't even remember the part # for it.....
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
I thought you were still running it.... I will be too on both the ecm and stock maf.
Still in Ohio, but getting transferred soon....
The motor is done, have to buy a few more odds & ends before putting it in..... but I have a shoulder injury at the moment, so just waiting to get healthy... hard to get any work done in the garage when every freakn move is painful.
btw, one of the things I need is an oil pan..... you have any recommendations, I used to have a miloden 6 qt that worked great with the C4's, but I don't even remember the part # for it.....
Still in Ohio, but getting transferred soon....
The motor is done, have to buy a few more odds & ends before putting it in..... but I have a shoulder injury at the moment, so just waiting to get healthy... hard to get any work done in the garage when every freakn move is painful.
btw, one of the things I need is an oil pan..... you have any recommendations, I used to have a miloden 6 qt that worked great with the C4's, but I don't even remember the part # for it.....
I went with the Kevko. Milodon didn't have a RH dipstick stroker pan. Kevko custom made me a pan. $214 for the pan. $40 for the pickup, and a couple bucks for the dipstick. It's on its way, so I haven't seen the finished product to comment.
Last edited by jsup; Aug 17, 2008 at 08:54 PM.
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
At just over $200, I couldn't see NOT buying it.
It's direct from the manufacturer and each pan is custom built.
Has oil temp provision and everything.
So, won't know till I get it, but I'll let you know.
I got the 1091 RR, 7 quart, same depth as stock, baffled pan.
Last edited by jsup; Aug 17, 2008 at 09:24 PM.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 3,099
Likes: 0
From: PITTSBURGH PA
Cruise-In IV Veteran
Cruise-In V Veteran
I thought you were still running it.... I will be too on both the ecm and stock maf.
Still in Ohio, but getting transferred soon....
The motor is done, have to buy a few more odds & ends before putting it in..... but I have a shoulder injury at the moment, so just waiting to get healthy... hard to get any work done in the garage when every freakn move is painful.
btw, one of the things I need is an oil pan..... you have any recommendations, I used to have a miloden 6 qt that worked great with the C4's, but I don't even remember the part # for it.....
Still in Ohio, but getting transferred soon....
The motor is done, have to buy a few more odds & ends before putting it in..... but I have a shoulder injury at the moment, so just waiting to get healthy... hard to get any work done in the garage when every freakn move is painful.
btw, one of the things I need is an oil pan..... you have any recommendations, I used to have a miloden 6 qt that worked great with the C4's, but I don't even remember the part # for it.....
Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,426
Likes: 4
From: Heidelberg PA
Cruise-In V Veteran
The Kevko is a nice pan. I installed one this past year and it is the first time I have no leaks.
The only thing you have to watch - is if the dipstick will actually hit oil. Their setup is a little different and they have metal covering the area that the dipstick would normally access the oil. They do have a hole cut out but my dipstick hit metal and I had to enlarge it for the dipstick to work.
.The only thing you have to watch - is if the dipstick will actually hit oil. Their setup is a little different and they have metal covering the area that the dipstick would normally access the oil. They do have a hole cut out but my dipstick hit metal and I had to enlarge it for the dipstick to work.
Last edited by 85vet; Aug 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM.
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
The Kevko is a nice pan. I installed one this past year and it is the first time I have no leaks.
The only thing you have to watch - is if the dipstick will actually hit oil. Their setup is a little different and they have metal covering the area that the dipstick would normally access the oil. They do have a hole cut out but my dipstick hit metal and I had to enlarge it for the dipstick to work.
.The only thing you have to watch - is if the dipstick will actually hit oil. Their setup is a little different and they have metal covering the area that the dipstick would normally access the oil. They do have a hole cut out but my dipstick hit metal and I had to enlarge it for the dipstick to work.
Thread Starter
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 35,065
Likes: 0
From: Bergen County, NJ Democrats, doing for the country what they did for Michigan
So it's decent quality I expect? What do you think? Everything I read on them seemed decent.