Just my personal experience.

Two years ago, I purchased from Jon NEW Bosch III fuel injectors for my 1996 LT4 engine.

Jon put these injectors together so they would flow identically to the OEM LT4 fuel injectors.

My Vette has over 124,000 miles now. I installed these at about 105,000 miles.

Vette starts faster than even when the vehicle was new. (I purchased Vette new in April 1996) More power at all RPM levels.

Would never buy injectors from anyone else than Jon.

You can read the whole story here: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...long-read.html

FIC rocks!

When driving my FIC equipped Vette, I am always SAVING the WAVE!

 

thanks Fred!! be safe

 

hey matt I need your address. pm me so i can get your injectors to you
jon

 

Jon,

Got my BIII's today before noon. Thanks for over nighting them to me, AND at no additional charge!!!! I am really looking forward to installing them as soon as I fix a nagging oil leak on the bottom end.

Thanks again for the injectors!!

Mark B.

 

Wow....I have never seen so much drama over such a simple part. A ticking flapper over a pressurized gas hole. I care so much I put used (gasp!) Multecs in my car because they were only 20 bucks. I worry more over which valve cover gasket to use. Lets start multiple epic threaded opinion insult polls on that! But don't think I do not find it entertaining. I have read every post lol
Disclaimer: I will be getting B3's when the alkie kills my (gasp!) Muleticks (hopefully before my liver). Because they are cheap. And good. And they fit. And I can fix it if they ain't perfect. And I don't care. And I like Jon, even though I have not met or talked to him (yet).

 

you will .

 

The first post was altered at Jon's request. If you read the whole thread, you'd know that.

 

I like this post.. He is so right!

 

amen

 

I am not interested in looking at your link, nor do I believe a service center associates with an dealer. Most importantly, I don't want to pay retail/highest dollar for a good, working part.

My point is you and Engle find it necessary to challege the vendor vs. letting an investigation proceed. You already have injectors AND have stated you're happy. Your presence here is purely inflammatory. It's obvious.

Engle is also unhappy. Obviously, he is the one who voted that B3's hurt his setup. And, he thinks Jon is a sleazy salesman. Since he's the only one, we know he's the one with "the problem". His presence here is also to aggravate the situation. In another thread, he insists B3's should not be considered drop-in. This poll was my idea to investigate and/or reveal said issue. If he keeps quiet for long enough, maybe future buyers will determine valueable information. Or, maybe (like I think) he's more interested in blaming others, trashing FIC, and preventing his ineptitude from coming out.

If he was really interested in revealing some "truth", he'd make his own efforts to do so. Obviously, he's unable to do that. He doesn't want to help others in the forum...at least not on this issue.

Prove I'm wrong.

 

allrite, group hug, and lashes for the slackers

 

Tear 'em all out and go with cross fire and then nothing to argue about :-)

 

I saw a crossfire that had quad downdraft webers on a home made base, looked cool, linkage was a nightmare.

 

We had a few injector rebuilders that were horrible to work with. They would advertise brand new injectors for $495.00 and mail you junk. Then they would refuse to refund your money. I can say that Jon is honest and will refund your money or replace any injector. Just look at this thread and you will agree.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...jectors-3.html

 

Installed bosh 3 #21 onto my L98 (60k miles) with longtube, perfo cat, magnaflow, all sensors changed, tune up, march pulleys, no freesbee, new ignition system, relocated temp sensor, New EGR, pcmforless chip with logs and dyno etc... using premium 98 octane we find in Europe with 58 psi.
Because of the bosh 3 ideal fuel atomisation, that we found beeing optimal at 58 psi, the so called "air starving" L98 long tubes intake runners limit has jumped from 4500 rpms to 5120 rpms where power is at peak with 267 hp at the wheels. hp and torque are around 10 to 20% better than stock on all rpm range until 4500 then L98 push like a beast until 5120 rpms.

 

fred you really have no idea what you are talking about. The way the automotive aftermarket works is this: we are basically an auto parts store that only elects to buy injectors. We buy from warehouse distributers who buy from the manufacturer. (WD) we are a jobber for them and buy quantity to get a big discount. Then we resell the parts. Summit, Jegs etc is not an autorized Bosch dealer nor is any local mom and pop auto parts store. Your statement is so far off that you might want to research the things you say. I wonder who writes your material. You can call up companies that are warehouse distributers and if you have a diesent financilal statement open up your own internet parts store and sell any part that the warehouse is willing to sell you. With the vast knowlwege you have you could probalby make a living. As far as this poll goes. There are 8 people that have issues that the new injectors did not fix. I wish they would identify themselves as the 3 customers did yesterday and call us to help them figure out what is wrong. The 3 people yesterday had fuel pressure issues and was unrelated to the injector swap. This is what the thread is all about. HELPING THE MEMBERS. It is not to prove that you know what your talking about!! Its so funny that you jump on here and never comment on the posts that we fixed the car without changing injectors. So in your mind its still the injector. How did you vote? you are not a customer but i'm sure I could call my rep at internet brands and find it out. But, why waste my time. In fact answering you is the biggest waste of time. To ask a question like "I wonder how many sets were needed before the 80% were right is rediculous and degrading as to our abilaty to sell a product thats reliable in the first place. I read every post, we don't play football with these customers sending injectors back and forth. We sell them, they go in the vehicle and they drive away. Sure with 24 yr old cars diagnosed by ametures there are going to have issues once in a while. Since when are all c4 owners certified techs. I'm sure even you have missed diagnosed your car and bought a part that didn't fix it. So in closing, this poll has showed what it was intended to show. Granted some of the keyboard mechanics do not want to believe it., with that I should say they should only buy new OEM multecs for $165.00 EACH. and not buy ours. That is their perogative. Its a free world.. Have a nice day!!!

 

Jon,
I do agree with your statement that says "rediculous and degrading as to our abilaty"

I didn't start this ridiculous post. Greg is bringing out the facts. I actually posted that you are honest and doing a better job than most injector rebuilders. Why get mad at me?

PS: What is a "diesent financilal"
Fred

 

need spelcheck lol decent at least I know you are reading it!

 

I meant and you know it about the Bosch Dealer statement you made earlier.. When it comes to that You know nothing as evedenced by your post. On the otherhand, you know more about the c4 than anyone on here!. Thats great!!!

 

I think the issue aggravating Jon (an myself) is about the authorized dealer point. What's at issue is whether Jon is worse, equal to, or better than a so-called authorized dealer.

What does it take to be an authorized dealer? Is it just a fee? By being an authorized dealer, does that mean you sell better parts or provide better service?

In my past experience, any electronic part installed on your car can not be returned after use. You won't get sympathy or a replacement. Electronics are treated as their own class of part. I believe injectors would fall in that class.

If anyone buying Accel, Bosch, SI, Trickflow (or any other brand of injector from an "authorized dealer") trys to return a part for warranty, they will have to send it to the manufacturer and wait for a determination of fault. If you actually find they assume fault, you will get a replacement part shipped in it's place. You won't get techinical assistance, great customer service, or anything worth hooting about. Instead, you'll get a lot of grief and downtime.

In the case of injectors, I would bet on 100% denial for warranty claims. Why? Because they'd assume a dirty fuel system caused the failure. Even if it didn't, you can not prove it.

Jon operates his business MUCH differently. Whether for stock replacement or modification, you can pick a set of injectors -- knowing you have the option for exchange, cleaning, warranty. Plus, as you've seen in this thread, he'll work beyond sales requirements to help you find a solution. (In most cases, he's helping you "fix" your car like the local Advanced Auto Parts guy who comes out with his scanner.)

Jon also will send/exchange injectors w/o question. As you see in this thread, he may even wait for his old set w/o charge. No "authorized dealer" would EVER do that.

The only question is about the quality/compatibility of his products. Since there are few/no complaints about the quality, I submit that's not an issue. (Start a poll to prove otherwise.)

Jon sells (what appears to be) a nearly 100% compatible FORD solution in the Bosch 3 injectors. If purchased new, they would cost $117ea X eight. He sells rebuilts for $169/set. That's over $100 less than Accel. For many of the $5k (and less) valued C4's, that's a bargain and worth consideration. I suspect, it's also worth taking a gamble on -- IF -- a warranty claim becomes necessary. And, considering Jon's service and replacement policies, I see little risk. I see his option as better than "authorized dealer" service.

I probably shouldn't get "mad" at Koolvette unless I assume his posts are to criticize the FIC option. At some points, I have assumed just that. Mostly, I assume this because he stood behind Engle who had bigger issues and refused to listen to reason. Engle posted about losing hundreds of dollars and time with the FIC solution. My point (to him) was proper tuning would have prevented damage (if any occured). Even if bad, mistaken, or faulty injectors were delivered to him by Jon. Because I saw the correspondence between he and Jon, I know he lost semblence of logic and put blame where it did not belong. And, he did so with some degree of resentment to a vendor going out of his way to help him. Engle assumed Jon is a bribing, sleazy, salesman vs. the type of vendor this forum needs to have.

Because he fought me in making this point, and because he wanted to make it sound like Jon (and his products) are bad, I was asked to help Jon negate that attack. It was a fair request since I'd already tried to calm Engle down and persuade some logic.

Jon, thru all this, still wanted to figure out IF his products (or less costly solution in B3's) have ANY kind of issue. It was my idea to start this poll. But I, erroneously, did not create proper focus on the goal. The goal is really to determine if hard-starting exists for a sub-class of C4 engines. (Which would be a result of ECM/BIN and possibly moder E10 fuels.)

From what I understand from talking to Jon this week, all of the issues so far (even ones voting negatively in this poll) have been solved by isolating another problem such as fuel pressure. If he finds something different, I'm sure he will post it.

For now, we know Engle is dissatified and unhappy. That won't change. Neither will my promise to assist Jon in investigating the starting aspect of the B3 injector solution....especially in early TPI cars.