what's holding me back?
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Melting Slicks
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I'm going to pull the timing chain cover off today and see if maybe the timing marks are off and also I'll do a compression and leak down test.
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From: Lacey WA RVN 68-69
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Why bother with all the extra work? If the car runs and you can drive it, go to the dyno guys and get a baseline to see what the motor is putting out. Then you can start backtracking to see if something is not right.
Right now you are just wasting your time and energy. Especially if you have no idea of the HP and torque the engine is putting out.
Right now you are just wasting your time and energy. Especially if you have no idea of the HP and torque the engine is putting out.
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Melting Slicks
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Why bother with all the extra work? If the car runs and you can drive it, go to the dyno guys and get a baseline to see what the motor is putting out. Then you can start backtracking to see if something is not right.
Right now you are just wasting your time and energy. Especially if you have no idea of the HP and torque the engine is putting out.
Right now you are just wasting your time and energy. Especially if you have no idea of the HP and torque the engine is putting out.
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Daniel I will try to be as clear as I can. If I were you I would be doing this.
1. stop using butt dyno and getting your engine "repaired" over the phone call
2. do nothing until you get to dyno.
3. while in there, tune for most hp and torq you can. Dont aim for "magical" 12.8 afr, tune for what ever gives you most power.
4. post your results here, not the numbers but the picture of dyno sheet.
Until that, this all is useless
1. stop using butt dyno and getting your engine "repaired" over the phone call
2. do nothing until you get to dyno.
3. while in there, tune for most hp and torq you can. Dont aim for "magical" 12.8 afr, tune for what ever gives you most power.
4. post your results here, not the numbers but the picture of dyno sheet.
Until that, this all is useless
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.....and to make this 3 for 3....Why bother with all the extra work? If the car runs and you can drive it, go to the dyno guys and get a baseline to see what the motor is putting out. Then you can start backtracking to see if something is not right.
Right now you are just wasting your time and energy. Especially if you have no idea of the HP and torque the engine is putting out.
Right now you are just wasting your time and energy. Especially if you have no idea of the HP and torque the engine is putting out.
Ya don't even know if you have a problem or not! Yet you're going to tear into the motor again? Ya have a dyno day scheduled...right?
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Melting Slicks
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I took the timing chain cover off and the marks were perfect.
Now I'm going to do a compression and leak down test. At least I'll have everything ruled out.
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Melting Slicks
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HOLY CRAP! I think I found something! I was looking at my harmonic balancer when it was off, and I was thinking to myself, what if it spun? I went over to look at my D.U.I. distributor with a clear cap, and looked around for the rotor. I'm thinking this should be about 10* before the number 1 cylinder post on the cap. Well It wasn't. It was all the way on the other side of the cap! 180* out! How the hell is this engine running 180* out???
I have an MSD ignition box with multiple spark, would that multiple spark keep it running?
The timing marks are lined up still on the timing gears, crank at 12 o'clock, cam at 6 o'clock.
Any ideas???
I have an MSD ignition box with multiple spark, would that multiple spark keep it running?
The timing marks are lined up still on the timing gears, crank at 12 o'clock, cam at 6 o'clock.
Any ideas???
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Yes, I have some ideas, but for the most part, I'll bite my tongue.
One thing I'll share however, is that the car WON'T run w/the distributor 180* out, so you're either misunderstanding something, or many things. It's not 180 out (since it runs/drives, as you claim).
Why don't your confirm #1 TDC?
One thing I'll share however, is that the car WON'T run w/the distributor 180* out, so you're either misunderstanding something, or many things. It's not 180 out (since it runs/drives, as you claim).
Why don't your confirm #1 TDC?
I already said leave it alone.
Drifting
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Daniel here a pic from my rotor/cap/ignition module tune up,it seems to me your cap is in a different position,specially looking at BATT TACH connector
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this is the correct orientation of the cap in relation to a fine positioned distributor assy
look at the distributor base,the ECM/ignition module connector is pointed to the rear agaist the windshield,while your cable is coming out from distributor base in a different position see video 1:12,it comes out lined with distributor clamp ...
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[/IMG]this is the correct orientation of the cap in relation to a fine positioned distributor assy
look at the distributor base,the ECM/ignition module connector is pointed to the rear agaist the windshield,while your cable is coming out from distributor base in a different position see video 1:12,it comes out lined with distributor clamp ...
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From: San Pedro CA
HOLY CRAP! I think I found something! I was looking at my harmonic balancer when it was off, and I was thinking to myself, what if it spun? I went over to look at my D.U.I. distributor with a clear cap, and looked around for the rotor. I'm thinking this should be about 10* before the number 1 cylinder post on the cap. Well It wasn't. It was all the way on the other side of the cap! 180* out! How the hell is this engine running 180* out???
I have an MSD ignition box with multiple spark, would that multiple spark keep it running?
The timing marks are lined up still on the timing gears, crank at 12 o'clock, cam at 6 o'clock.
Any ideas???
I have an MSD ignition box with multiple spark, would that multiple spark keep it running?
The timing marks are lined up still on the timing gears, crank at 12 o'clock, cam at 6 o'clock.
Any ideas???
You are way over your head here... take the car to the shop and let the professionals fix it.
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Melting Slicks
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It doesn't benefit me if someone else does my work for me. That's what I do for a living, fix cars.
Le Mans Master
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Been there, done that, they couldn't fix it. I have a lot of knowledge about cars. The only reason why I ask it to confirm. You guys make me think I'm crazy, and in the end the things that I was talking about are persistent problems.
It doesn't benefit me if someone else does my work for me. That's what I do for a living, fix cars.
It doesn't benefit me if someone else does my work for me. That's what I do for a living, fix cars.
What did the shop that built it say was wrong/not wrong?