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Then you should know that your cylinder 1 tdc is when you have both of your marks 12 o'clock. With crank mark on 12 o'clock and cam mark 6 o'clock you should be firing to cylinder 6, and you are.
Put it back together, hit the dyno and let us know.
Put it back together, hit the dyno and let us know.
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Melting Slicks
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I think you're mistaken. I've had 3 people from 3 different shops come over and take a look, they all agreed that it was 180 out. Plus, I took my old cam and my old timing gear, put the gear on the dowel pin on the cam and had the timing mark at 6 oclock. In the position, cylinder 1 intake valve just finished closing, meaning that it was time to fire the cylinder, I rotated it clock wise, the next valve up was the exhaust valve, then immediately after, the intake.
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Sorry buddy if i insists,i see your base out about 90 degree,but someone correct me if i'm wrong
look at position of cable on the base
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look at your cable position it's lined with the distributor clamp
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look at position of cable on the base
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I think you're mistaken. I've had 3 people from 3 different shops come over and take a look, they all agreed that it was 180 out. Plus, I took my old cam and my old timing gear, put the gear on the dowel pin on the cam and had the timing mark at 6 oclock. In the position, cylinder 1 intake valve just finished closing, meaning that it was time to fire the cylinder, I rotated it clock wise, the next valve up was the exhaust valve, then immediately after, the intake.
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Melting Slicks
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This is an aftermarket distributor. Also, the base timing on mine has been changed from what factory was. Among other reasons.
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^It doesn't really matter where the distributor body is oriented (where the "cap is pointing")
It's really hard to believe that you "fix cars for a living" but you can't see this basic thing.
You JUST explained the cycles of a 4 stroke engine above. Tell us: if the spark fires between exhaust and intake TDC with both valves open (overlap and no cylinder pressure).....HOW IS THE ENGINE GOING TO RUN???
It won't. Your engine can't be 180 and run. It's not 180 out.
I think you're mistaken. I've had 3 people from 3 different shops come over and take a look, they all agreed that it was 180 out. Plus, I took my old cam and my old timing gear, put the gear on the dowel pin on the cam and had the timing mark at 6 oclock. In the position, cylinder 1 intake valve just finished closing, meaning that it was time to fire the cylinder, I rotated it clock wise, the next valve up was the exhaust valve, then immediately after, the intake.
You JUST explained the cycles of a 4 stroke engine above. Tell us: if the spark fires between exhaust and intake TDC with both valves open (overlap and no cylinder pressure).....HOW IS THE ENGINE GOING TO RUN???
It won't. Your engine can't be 180 and run. It's not 180 out.
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Well tell those 2 people to fix it for you.
I can't tell how many times I have had friends or other so called techs replace and intake or dizzy then come to me because the car would not start. The problem was always the same.
I can't tell how many times I have had friends or other so called techs replace and intake or dizzy then come to me because the car would not start. The problem was always the same.
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This is getting absolutely ridiculous.
This reminds me of an autozone employee who insisted I did not have a factory chevy big block 454 in my 72 Monte Carlo because the distributor was not in the front of the engine. He refused to sell me a Comp Cam. I had to sign a waiver for him to sell it to me. Haha.
This reminds me of an autozone employee who insisted I did not have a factory chevy big block 454 in my 72 Monte Carlo because the distributor was not in the front of the engine. He refused to sell me a Comp Cam. I had to sign a waiver for him to sell it to me. Haha.
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Melting Slicks
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^It doesn't really matter where the distributor body is oriented (where the "cap is pointing")
It's really hard to believe that you "fix cars for a living" but you can't see this basic thing.
You JUST explained the cycles of a 4 stroke engine above. Tell us: if the spark fires between exhaust and intake TDC with both valves open (overlap and no cylinder pressure).....HOW IS THE ENGINE GOING TO RUN???
It won't. Your engine can't be 180 and run. It's not 180 out.
It's really hard to believe that you "fix cars for a living" but you can't see this basic thing.
You JUST explained the cycles of a 4 stroke engine above. Tell us: if the spark fires between exhaust and intake TDC with both valves open (overlap and no cylinder pressure).....HOW IS THE ENGINE GOING TO RUN???
It won't. Your engine can't be 180 and run. It's not 180 out.
Did no one watch my video?
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From: South Dakota
^It doesn't really matter where the distributor body is oriented (where the "cap is pointing")
It's really hard to believe that you "fix cars for a living" but you can't see this basic thing.
You JUST explained the cycles of a 4 stroke engine above. Tell us: if the spark fires between exhaust and intake TDC with both valves open (overlap and no cylinder pressure).....HOW IS THE ENGINE GOING TO RUN???
It won't. Your engine can't be 180 and run. It's not 180 out.
It's really hard to believe that you "fix cars for a living" but you can't see this basic thing.
You JUST explained the cycles of a 4 stroke engine above. Tell us: if the spark fires between exhaust and intake TDC with both valves open (overlap and no cylinder pressure).....HOW IS THE ENGINE GOING TO RUN???
It won't. Your engine can't be 180 and run. It's not 180 out.
I have purposely put the distributor body in different orientation on a couple of motor swaps so the wiring was easier, but it does not have any effect on the car running. It is only the position of the rotor matching to the cap/wire that needs to fire.
You said you have had 3 guys from 3 shops tell you it is 180° out, then you need to find some new shops.
Le Mans Master
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I have purposely put the distributor body in different orientation on a couple of motor swaps so the wiring was easier, but it does not have any effect on the car running. It is only the position of the rotor matching to the cap/wire that needs to fire.
You said you have had 3 guys from 3 shops tell you it is 180° out, then you need to find some new shops.
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I know you didn't say that. I never said you did!
And where is the piston at this point? It's at TDC. There is no compression, there is no fuel. You throw a spark at that point (which would be your 180 out) and guess what?? NO FIRE! Ding ding ding!! The engine won't run, buddy!
We all did which is why we're all shaking our heads at you. Palm slapping, if you will.
And where is the piston at this point? It's at TDC. There is no compression, there is no fuel. You throw a spark at that point (which would be your 180 out) and guess what?? NO FIRE! Ding ding ding!! The engine won't run, buddy!
We all did which is why we're all shaking our heads at you. Palm slapping, if you will.
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Do 85's have the same reference wire that 89's have? You know the (brown) one you have to disconnect before setting the timing? Have you done so? Does the 85 bin have the same offset shown in later bins -- where you indicate the mechanical advance locked into your distributor?
Are you sure you have 35-deg total advance AND your balancer hasn't slipped, and you set the timing right and you've indicated base timing in your bin?
Anyone drive a car with the timing 10-20 degree's out? Anyone impressed with how that ran?
Lots to f-up there.
Are you sure you have 35-deg total advance AND your balancer hasn't slipped, and you set the timing right and you've indicated base timing in your bin?
Anyone drive a car with the timing 10-20 degree's out? Anyone impressed with how that ran?
Lots to f-up there.
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Since you like to tear your engine down, try this: take your driver side valve cover off. rotate your crank untill your #1 exhaust valve just finish closing and #1 intake valve starts to open. Now turn your crank one full turn. Where are your timing marks and where is your dist. rotor? I know where they going to be, but since you like to learn new, you should try it
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I never said compression happened during overlap. When the camshaft was at the 6 o'clock mark, both valves were closed. Rotate the cam clockwise, go maybe 3/4 of a turn, now its the exhaust valve open, right before the exhaust valve closes the intake starts opening, then it repeats the process. Right after that intake valve is closed, according to the cam lobes, the cylinder is firing.
Did no one watch my video?
Did no one watch my video?
Your distributor is installed correctly and the distributor is not 180 degrees out. The engine will not run at 180 degrees out no matter what your two mechanic friends said.
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It's hard to tell. 90% of his threads/posts just scream "TROLL!" to me. I mean...who seriously asks these questions and has these issues, this often, this fast....very questionable. It has the ring of "84L83/85L98" et al. But then he posts a video which is a pretty good indicator that actual work may have been done.
What ever the case....He claims to be a mechanic....I sure wouldn't want him working on MY car! Wow.
What ever the case....He claims to be a mechanic....I sure wouldn't want him working on MY car! Wow.
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Melting Slicks
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It's hard to tell. 90% of his threads/posts just scream "TROLL!" to me. I mean...who seriously asks these questions and has these issues, this often, this fast....very questionable. It has the ring of "84L83/85L98" et al. But then he posts a video which is a pretty good indicator that actual work may have been done.
What ever the case....He claims to be a mechanic....I sure wouldn't want him working on MY car! Wow.
What ever the case....He claims to be a mechanic....I sure wouldn't want him working on MY car! Wow.